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Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:30 am
by F3
Back when smoking was de rigeur even the aircraft smoked due to the thirsty engines developed in the 50s and 60s. The B-52a and B-66s were particularly dirty as were the F-104 and F-4 with their General Electric J-79 engines. However the Rolls Royce engined UK F-4s were nt much cleaner as illustrated below. Other notable British smokers were the Lightning, VC-10 and Vulcan and even Concorde smoked when its engines were fired up. One of the smokiest take-offs ever seen was by B-52 'Swashbuckler' @ the '88 Air Fete which was only beaten by a 3 Vulcan Scramble. These days it's rare to see a jet smoking at an air show, unless there's a MiG-29 in the programme!
F-111 - Ch. Fenton '8- by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Linton - Tornado GR1s 617 Sqn. '91 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Phantom F-4K J 111 Sqn. Ch. Fenton circa '84 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Phantom FGR.2s - Linton circa '91 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Battle of Britain 50 Ann flypast - Abingdon '90 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Ch.Fenton - Lightning tailchase summer '83 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Buccaneer -208 Sqn display ship departing Ch Fenton '91 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
VC-10 10 Sqn - Nicolson Event (1) by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
EC-135 Mildenhall circa '80 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
CAF Cf-104s - Mildenhall '82 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
RF-4C - Ch. Fenton '82 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Elvington - Luftwaffe F-4Fs '96 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Concorde - RIAT circa '98 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
MiG29 - PAF Leuchars 06 (3) by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
RB-66 take -off - Alconbury by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
B52 take - off - Air Fete '88 by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Finningley '81 - Vulcan scramble by
Michael Britton, on Flickr
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:23 pm
by Mustang531
Thanks for sharing these with us, forgotten how smoky some types were. I was at Finningley in 1981 and sure it was a quartet of Vulcans that scrambled at the show.
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:34 pm
by F3
Y're quite right. I found it impossible to get more than 3 in the frame at any time. The fourth will have been just getting airborne and the leader is already breaking away. Same with the Lightnings. They were the last 3 of 4 - the leader having just departed vertically over my head!
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:01 pm
by Knife 04
Interesting shots Michael
I think your EC-135 is a RC-135U with the old 'Towel Rail' fitment
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:26 pm
by eLaReF
You don't see that much in these days of higher efficiency engines (Unfortunately) but always loved smokey shots like yours. Just never took many!!
My smokiest shot is, unfortunately, a Modern Air CV990 so OT here but I'll just add the link without the image
https://flic.kr/p/ee7D7S
So just a couple (I don't have 'smoke' as a tag so finding them ain't easy!)
XV108 Vickers VC10 C.1K msn 838 Y 101Sq by
eLaReF, on Flickr
MM6776 Lockheed F-104S Starfighter msn 1076 9-46 9 Stormo by
eLaReF, on Flickr
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:27 pm
by F3
Liking the typically dirty F-104. Did nt realise the updated S version was still so bad. Everyone else please post yr own dirty pics (no not that kind - aircraft only) and see if we can make a smokers thread.
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:17 pm
by STARIL
Surely someone has a photo or two of the KC-135As departing the hall using water injection!!
Seem to remember vast numbers doing this returning the F-111F's to the states, or are the grey cells at fault??
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:26 pm
by Knife 04
STARIL wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:17 pm
Surely someone has a photo or two of the KC-135As departing the hall using water injection!!
Grey cells not at fault STARIL - they did - have some more but not processed yet
KC-135A - 61-0266 - 97th BW, Blytheville AFB by
Darren Currie, on Flickr
Fairford too...........
KC-135A - 62-3565 - 305th ARW, Grissom AFB by
Darren Currie, on Flickr
KC-135A - 61-0267 - 97th BW - 11th Strategic Group, RAF Fairford by
Darren Currie, on Flickr
KC-135A 'GLOB' - 62-3560 - 509th BW - TDY 11th Strategic Group by
Darren Currie, on Flickr
B-52s as well
B-52G - 59-2602 - 416 BW, Griffiss AFB by
Darren Currie, on Flickr
B-52G - 59-2602 - 416th BW, Griffiss AFB by
Darren Currie, on Flickr
The epitome of Fairford - 'KAGO' Flight by
Darren Currie, on Flickr
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:44 pm
by STARIL
Knife04. Love 1 and 4. Case of better than vaping

Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:32 am
by mancman
A few smokers from the past.
I think the smokiest aircraft in UK skies at the moment apart from the visiting B-52s is the civilian AN-12 operated by Cavok.
C-135F French AF St Mawgan June 1985 by
Andy Bird, on Flickr
BoB Flypast RAF Sept 1990 Abingdon by
Andy Bird, on Flickr
C-130 RAF x 15 1987 Fairford by
Andy Bird, on Flickr
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:04 am
by F3
Thanks for the contributions guys. Well impressed and I think Darren's pic of the B-52s departing Fairford is the smokiest yet!
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:08 pm
by Knife 04
STARIL wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:44 pm
Knife04. Love 1 and 4. Case of better than vaping
Another from Mildenhall 1991
KC-135A - 58-0042 - 380th ARS, Plattsburgh AFB by
Darren Currie, on Flickr
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:07 pm
by Retro
A pair of smoking whales at Point Mugu :

Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:01 am
by F3
Excellent latest additions to the thread. There's no wonder USAF re-engined the KC-135s back in the '90s and thanks for those rare Whale pics Retro. Funny nose on that 2nd one, obs some type of radar?
Re: Health Warning - Smokers!
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:05 am
by Ferrari
Fantastic.
The B-66 and A-3 shots are a bit different!
Thanks for posting,
Regards,
Ferrari