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Red Arrows

Post by mhm » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:47 am

Oh Dear

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -21790939/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Red Arrows

Post by reaper493 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:49 am

I wouldnt believe a word of this. It sounds as thought they've just got wind of this, it happened ages ago. The Hawk was flying from Shawbury after being brought out of storage to Cranwell for a re spray in Reds colours. The right hand undercarrage leg collapsed on landing at Cranwell and it skidered into to the Air Traffic control car park. Cant remeber when exactly it happened but a quick google search should bring it up.

Mike

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by viper3111 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:59 am

Obviously a slow news day, no real x factor news to report or some green grocer refusing to sell wine gums as he thought they contained alcohol.
:grr: :grr: SO LETS SLATE THE RAF AGAIN :grr: :grr:

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by garethbrum » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:53 am

reaper493 wrote:I wouldnt believe a word of this. It sounds as thought they've just got wind of this, it happened ages ago. The Hawk was flying from Shawbury after being brought out of storage to Cranwell for a re spray in Reds colours. The right hand undercarrage leg collapsed on landing at Cranwell and it skidered into to the Air Traffic control car park. Cant remeber when exactly it happened but a quick google search should bring it up.

Mike
I can't find online as yet but this story relates to the publication of the accident report - not the accident itself.

You could claim it was newsworthy on that basis - although I'll reserve judgement until I actually see the report!

G

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by viper3111 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:17 am

garethbrum wrote:
reaper493 wrote:I wouldnt believe a word of this. It sounds as thought they've just got wind of this, it happened ages ago. The Hawk was flying from Shawbury after being brought out of storage to Cranwell for a re spray in Reds colours. The right hand undercarrage leg collapsed on landing at Cranwell and it skidered into to the Air Traffic control car park. Cant remeber when exactly it happened but a quick google search should bring it up.

Mike
I can't find online as yet but this story relates to the publication of the accident report - not the accident itself.

You could claim it was newsworthy on that basis - although I'll reserve judgement until I actually see the report!

G
In guessing they are reffering to this
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 735284.ece

Sheff

Re: Red Arrows

Post by Sheff » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:08 pm

Oh well, there you go, more claptrap from the newspapers. Mind you, this story is a hoot:-

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/ ... 174661.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then people wonder why the military don't fly civilians much - what a prat - he's lucky to be alive!

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by HighlandSniper » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:34 pm

Sheff wrote:Oh well, there you go, more claptrap from the newspapers. Mind you, this story is a hoot:-

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/ ... 174661.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then people wonder why the military don't fly civilians much - what a prat - he's lucky to be alive!
Yes, a classic case of how to make friends and influence people (not) - you can imagine the poster in all SAAF guard-rooms ... ... "Do not admit this man".

garethbrum

Re: Red Arrows

Post by garethbrum » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:41 am

lowlevel wrote:S**t-stirring media again..pity these w*****s haven't got anything better to do,i think they get round a table and discuss who they are going slag-off with their poison tongues!!,why publish this news story about the incident at Cranwell now,ages after it happened,what with other military aviation "incidents" in the news recently,seems to me that certain parts of the media get a kick out of stories like this,dragging people through the gutter.
Lowlevel - the story has come out in the media as the accident report either has been published or is about to be published.

Depending on it's content that may well be newsworthy - especially as the Reds were involved. I'm not saying everyone will report it well but I can see where they're coming from.

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by gamecock » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:26 pm

PPrune thread has some interesting views on the subject:

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/ ... crash.html

Sheff

Re: Red Arrows

Post by Sheff » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:08 am

Think the vital point to bear in mind is that there isn't so much as one "official" word anywhere in the story. It's all based on newspaper garbage and "unattributable sources" (ie- any random bloke that says something). So it's impossible to reach any conclusions about the indident. It's quite amusing that the Pprune users have rambled-on at great length without any evidence as to what actually happened in the first place.

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by T_J » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:09 am

The pilot in question has posted on PPRuNe. Post #105 user name 'wigz'

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/ ... ash-6.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TJ

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by Sheff » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:39 am

Indeed, but still no clarification of the story! Hope someone passes-on the story from Air Clues when he writes it. Maybe they could send a copy to the Mirror too although they'd probably be wasting their time!

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by garethbrum » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:44 pm

Sheff wrote:Indeed, but still no clarification of the story! Hope someone passes-on the story from Air Clues when he writes it. Maybe they could send a copy to the Mirror too although they'd probably be wasting their time!
No clarification on detail but his post certainly says it all!

The new Air Clues is online btw - a damn good read it is too.

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Re: Red Arrows

Post by HighlandSniper » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:42 pm

garethbrum wrote:

The new Air Clues is online btw - a damn good read it is too.

Can you post a link please?

garethbrum

Re: Red Arrows

Post by garethbrum » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:49 pm

Here you go Rob.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles ... F3F852.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HighlandSniper

Re: Red Arrows

Post by HighlandSniper » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:07 am

Many thanks - I used to read every word of Air Clues as an Air Cadet in the mid-late seventies, and had located issues going back to the early sixties - I wish I knew what happened to them, I suspect the victim of one of my Mother's "clear outs"

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