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Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by Richard B » Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:14 pm

Morel likely wing tip rocked. It was done in ww2 with Spitfire and V1 doodlebug s.
If the SU 27s intercepted close to Russian borders, do the reapers have comms. If the SU 27s cannot communicate with said drone
Then yes they do have options to knock it down.

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by bob909 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:25 pm

Russia has a record of fighting dirty, anyone remember the incident when they tried to bump off an off-course L29 which was routing it's way to the UK?
https://markjefferiesairdisplays.com/20 ... image-l29/

I've got nothing against Russian people as a whole, just the hierarchy that makes it's own rules.

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by POL » Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:10 pm

Richard B wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:14 pm
Morel likely wing tip rocked. It was done in ww2 with Spitfire and V1 doodlebug s.
I thought this was widely accepted to be a myth/propaganda of the time.

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by JAWS » Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:10 am

POL wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:10 pm
Richard B wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:14 pm
Morel likely wing tip rocked. It was done in ww2 with Spitfire and V1 doodlebug s.
I thought this was widely accepted to be a myth/propaganda of the time.
POL, take a look at these. It did happen, just maybe not as many times as some may think, apparently.

https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=22683

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C2075972
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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by Seahornet1 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:15 am

Richard B wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:14 pm
Morel likely wing tip rocked. It was done in ww2 with Spitfire and V1 doodlebug s....
:lol: Brilliant!

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by James Cutting » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:18 am

Well, that wasn't deliberate...much! :O
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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by sjoerd » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:27 am

Very provocative at the least...the final seconds of the clip clearly show the broken/bend blades.

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by Rob666 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:55 am

Well yet another lie, does not surprise me.

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by Sparts99 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:05 am

So if they wanted to destroy the drone why risk damage from a collision when they could shoot it down? Did they think that by stopping the engine with the fuel dump flooding the intake they could recover it fairly intact from the sea?
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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by James Cutting » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:07 am

It's almost like the idea was to dump fuel on it, and hope that brings it down, but either deliberately or not, misjudged it's flightpath - Can't determine actually if it hit it or not.

Just hope the US bought it down fast and hard to destroy the majority of it.
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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by big john » Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:33 pm

James Cutting wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:07 am
Can't determine actually if it hit it or not
If you check the last two frames the prop blade on the right is bent. Must have hit the prop and the engine failed as well as the prop is not going very fast.
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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by T_J » Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:35 pm

Thunder44 wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:18 pm
But if a SU-27 hit the prop, it would have to have hit the two tail fins. No way that it couldn't have.

Also if it hit the nose cone, it pretty much means a full impact. It cant be anything other than a full impact.

I personally think either the fuel release caused it to fall and crash or some EM warfare weapon caused it similar the the USS Donald Cook incident.
The Russian pilot messed up while trying to dump fuel on the MQ-9 Reaper resulting in the Flanker clipping the tail fins and prop.

USS Donald Cook "EM Warfare weapon" claim was silly made up nonsense by scammers and grifters on the internet. The more fanciful and embellished the claim the more they get out of it for for ego and clicks for donations.
The incident was simply low fly overs by Russian aircraft. The die-hard conspiracy types simply made up the claim about Donald Cook being disabled by electronic wonder weapons. They are also doing it will silly nonsense claiming that the
Russian downed an RQ-4 Global Hawk callsign Forte10.

This was the silly nonsense by the scammers about the USS Donald Cook.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by Agent K » Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:25 pm

big john wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:33 pm
If you check the last two frames the prop blade on the right is bent. Must have hit the prop and the engine failed as well as the prop is not going very fast.
It "appeared" to be going slow before the impact, this could be the video frame rate as much as anything giving a false impression of RPM before and after?

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by moonstone_laura » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:12 pm

From 'Capt(N)' on Twitter:
Sevastopol media source For Post, referring to its source close to the Russian Navy, claims that the downed🇺🇸MQ-9 drone has been detected. The drone was found using an UAV at a depth of 900 m.

From me: Information requires verification and confirmation.
https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/16 ... 5081946113
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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by Ranger » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:13 pm

big john wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:33 pm
James Cutting wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:07 am
Can't determine actually if it hit it or not
If you check the last two frames the prop blade on the right is bent. Must have hit the prop and the engine failed as well as the prop is not going very fast.
To me it also looks like one of the other blades is feathered as well on one of the last frames.

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by moonstone_laura » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:19 pm

Timmo wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:12 am
Footage of the incident released: https://www.dvidshub.net/video/876667/u ... -intercept
Another version of the footage:

https://twitter.com/UniqueMongolia/stat ... 6558899200

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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by Timmo » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:34 pm

Ranger wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:13 pm
big john wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:33 pm
James Cutting wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:07 am
Can't determine actually if it hit it or not
If you check the last two frames the prop blade on the right is bent. Must have hit the prop and the engine failed as well as the prop is not going very fast.
To me it also looks like one of the other blades is feathered as well on one of the last frames.

Cheers,
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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by big john » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:05 pm

Good image showing the layout of an RQ-4.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrWIfRrXgAE ... name=large
As the SU 27 was climbing away you can see how it's possible maybe the air intake or the rear fuselage could just hit the tip of the prop and miss the tail'
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Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea

Post by Thunder44 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:05 pm

So the sheer mass of the fuel dump bent two of the props and the two aircraft didn't actually touch.

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