Red Arrow down Bournemouth 2011

[urkles]

In simple terms - people who knew Jon have read your comments and been hurt by them.

You might not think "everyone is the same" but some people think all members here, are unconnected to current servicemen. Well let me tell you this is b******s, there are current serving personnel on here, who knew Jon or indeed may know any future casualties of accidents.

I have no doubt about there be serving and ex-serving members on here ( I am myself), and I am quite certain over 95% of the FC know this as well. I would imagine even the mods/administrators have ex mil/serving mil on them (not mentioning names!)

Why do you think FC members are unaware of ex-mil/current servicemen frequenting this forum?

Oh and you first line - people who knew Jon have read your comments and been hurt by them. What have I said to be disrespectful? I have the upmost respect for all servicemen and will always fight their corner regardless of rank and status. I was shocked when I heard the news - I feel the same as the majority of people who have posted on here and can't for the life of me see where I have posted anything that maybe seen as disrespectful.

[steve149c]

Gents,

"Synchro Pair" I fully understand your situation and I know that people whom met and worked with Flt Lt Egging are going to be very sensitive to theories, but I can assure you that nothing that I have read has been derogitory or disrespectful in any way. There are many, myself included whom have never met the late Flt Lt, however we have all watched as he and his team mates performed the perfectly syncronised aerobatic displays which thrilled millions of people this year alone. I may not be a serving military servicemen, but I do work in the Merchant Navy so I can understand what you are going through. I have had very close friends taken away from us by the simplest of mistakes. Peoples way of dealing with greif, either direct or indirect association are different. People who knew Flt Lt Egging will greave differently to those who only knew what he did, and I think that maybe I could have put my posts in a different way - for this I am sorry.

As stated, grief can only be dealt with in different ways - some us of like to get drunk, and then back into the routine of work (familiarity) - others go completely off the rail. I can only admire the Red Arrows who have had their period of mourning, and then have climbed back into their red jets and carried out the rest of their season in honour of Flt Lt Jon Egging.

For myself "Synchro pair" I am truely sorry if I have caused you or Flt Lt Eggings colleagues any saddness, but I also think that debate on this forum is helping others to understand and come to terms with the tragic loss that we have all suffered, directly or indirectly.

Regards

Steve

[RichC]

Its how it works Jem,
People on here seem to think Speculation is a bad thing when its just part of being human. It's what people do, they talk about it in the pub, at home, at work, on here on forums. Its what forums are for, discussing things, speculating etc. Yet people still feel the need to tell people to stop talking.
Yes it involved a death but so did 9/11 and that never stopped people speculating nor setting up conspiracy theories.

Condolences or not... speculating on an aircraft crashing (the cause) is not disrespectful at all.

Yes we can all wait for the investigation but as enthusiasts, we have the right to speculate over anything and eveything, fatal or non fatal. If someone has the right to protest then someone has the right to speculate without any come back from those who have a different opinion. If we all had the same opinions, this place would be very boring and pretty much non existent.

PPrune started the seperate condolence threads a few years ago and concentrated on the other stuff in a seperate thread. Which is fair enough. It lets people yap away discussing the incidents/events without being told what to do by Admin or other members.

[steve149c]

I second that - perfectly said Rich C

[SteveS]

Indeed, we all have a right to say what we want and personally I can't see for the life of me why speculation as to possible causes is disrespectful.

[headset 57]

"Your" in the general not the personal sense.

Now withdrawing from posting as I feel this thread is going of course. It was started when news broke, and then turned into a sort of tribute page for Jon. And it is now being a thread on "my guess at why he crashed/died".

that's called discussion on a forum

[Vulcan7]

I have to agree, the beauty of forums is that you can have (or should at least be able to have) a discussion about any matter with people all over the world. I think it's healthy to speak to like-minded aviation enthusiasts, including engineers/ex military personnel. You only have to look at similar threads on Pprune to see the huge amount of knowledge the majority of the members have on there and the amount people can learn from comments made. Keep the discussions up, thats the beauty of a forum. I know none of the comments made are in any way intended to be disrespectful, hell, why would they be?! Maybe others should think that too.

Joe

[headset 57]

"Your" in the general not the personal sense.

Now withdrawing from posting as I feel this thread is going of course. It was started when news broke, and then turned into a sort of tribute page for Jon. And it is now being a thread on "my guess at why he crashed/died".

let's close it down then ..

[TS010]

everybody has the right to grieve how they want to. Personally, I don't see how you can grieve for somebody you never knew (seems a bit narcissistic?), so for me it's just sorrow at a tragic event (as in many other events)

That's something that puzzles me.
From personal experience, the military deal with death in a very 'matter of fact way', often with very black humour, which some people would find shocking and direspectful, but that is just the way it is, that is how they pick themselves up and get on with the job. I'm still very much in the same mindset, fifteen years after leaving the service. Yes, the death of anyone is very sad, but life goes on.
As to speculating what caused a particular incident, it happens as soon as news breaks, whether it's a Squadron crewroom, Mess, Pub or where ever. Non of the speculative theories as to what caused Flt Lt Egging's crash I've read in this thread have been in anyway fanciful or disrespectful.

[tim_raper]

I don't really want to see this forum descending to the depths with threads containing speculative cr*p like this one is.
I can go to another well known forum mentioned above for that.
Thanks

[GOOSE]

Play nice please fellas. Thanks you.