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"Large Scale" Russian Air Activity - Last 36 Hrs

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"Large Scale" Russian Air Activity - Last 36 Hrs

Post by thommg » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:39 pm

It looks like UK news organisations have been distracted with a fairly routine QRA to an unresponsive cargo aircraft...but NATO SHAPE has issued a striking statement about Russian air activity over the last 36 hours, with details about the QRA earlier on Wednesday 29th to some Tu-95's over the North Sea.

In total there were four groups of aircraft in European airspace - with North Atlantic, North Sea, Baltic and Black Sea areas involved.

http://aco.nato.int/nato-tracks-largesc ... urope.aspx
NATO Tracks Large-Scale Russian Air Activity in Europe
MONS, Belgium – NATO detected and monitored four groups of Russian military aircraft conducting significant military manoeuvers in European airspace over the Baltic Sea, North Sea/Atlantic Ocean, and Black Sea on 28 and 29 October 2014. These sizable Russian flights represent an unusual level of air activity over European airspace.

Eight Russian Aircraft Intercepted over North Sea / Atlantic Ocean on 29 October 2014
At approximately 3:00 a.m. CET on 29 October, NATO radars detected and tracked eight Russian aircraft flying in formation over the North Sea. F-16 aircraft from the Royal Norwegian Air Force were scrambled, intercepted and identified the Russian aircraft, which included four Tu-95 Bear H strategic bombers and four Il-78 tanker aircraft. The formation flew from mainland Russia over the Norwegian Sea in international airspace. Six of the Russian aircraft then turned back to the north-east towards Russia, while two Tu-95 Bear H bombers continued south-west, parallel to the Norwegian coast, heading to the south-west. The Russian aircraft continued over the North Sea, and Typhoon fighters from the United Kingdom were scrambled in response. While over the Atlantic Ocean west of Portugal, the two Russian aircraft were intercepted and identified by F-16s from the Portuguese Air Force. The Russian aircraft turned back heading north-east, flying to the west of the United Kingdom. NATO aircraft from the United Kingdom and Norway were standing by and NATO assets on the ground and in the air tracked the Russian aircraft throughout. At present, the two Tu-95 bombers appear headed back to Russia, but as of 4 p.m. CET the aircraft were still airborne.

The bomber and tanker aircraft from Russia did not file flight plans or maintain radio contact with civilian air traffic control authorities and they were not using on-board transponders. This poses a potential risk to civil aviation as civilian air traffic control cannot detect these aircraft or ensure there is no interference with civilian air traffic.

PRT F-16 at Siauliai Air Base, Lithuania - Photo courtesy of Ricardo Quintela, PRT Air Force
Four Russian Aircraft Intercepted over Black Sea on 29 October 2014
During the afternoon of 29 October, NATO radars detected and tracked four Russian aircraft flying over the Black Sea in international air space, including 2 Tu-95 Bear-H bombers and 2 Su-27 Flanker fighter jets. Fighters from the Turkish Air Force have intercepted the Russian aircraft and NATO is continuing to track them in international airspace. As of 4 p.m. CET the aircraft were still airborne.

Multiple Russian Aircraft Intercepted over Baltic Sea on 29 October 2014
During the afternoon of 29 October, NATO radars detected and tracked a number Russian aircraft flying over the Baltic Sea in international airspace, including 2x MiG-31 Foxhound, 2x Su-34 Fullback, 1x Su-27 Flanker and 2x Su-24 Fencer jets. Portuguese F-16 Fighters assigned to the Baltic Air Policing Mission were scrambled in response and the Russian aircraft returned to Russian airspace.

Seven Russian Fighter Jets also Intercepted on 28 October 2014
During the afternoon of 28 October, NATO radars detected and tracked seven Russian combat aircraft flying in international airspace over the Baltic Sea. The aircraft were detected at approximately 2:30 p.m. CET on 28 October and included 2x MiG-31 Foxhound, 2x Su-34 Fullback, 1x Su-27 Flanker and 2x Su-24 Fencer jets.

The Russian aircraft were flying in the Gulf of Finland and were intercepted by German Typhoon fighter jets from NATO’s Baltic Air Policing Mission in order to identify the aircraft and protect Allied air space. The Russian aircraft continued into the Baltic Sea and were subsequently intercepted by Allied fighters from Denmark as well as fighters from Finland and Sweden, which are not members of NATO. The Russian fighters continued to the Kaliningrad Oblast. The Russian aircraft had filed a flight plan with air traffic control authorities, were using transponders, but did not maintain radio contact with civilian air traffic control.

NATO jets were on standby throughout the duration of both Russian flights and Russian aircraft were continually tracked using Allied assets on the ground and in the air. NATO has conducted over 100 intercepts of Russian aircraft in 2014 to date, which is about three times more than were conducted in 2013.

Scrambles and intercepts are standard procedure when an unknown aircraft approaches NATO airspace. However, such flights pose a potential risk to civil aviation given that the Russian military often do not file flight plans, or use their on-board transponders. This means civilian air traffic control cannot detect these aircraft nor ensure there is no interference with civilian air traffic.

NATO Allies protect their airspace on a 24/7 basis. Allied air defence efforts are focused on stopping unauthorised incursions into NATO airspace and on preventing acts of airborne terrorism.

Story by SHAPE Public Affairs Office
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Re: "Large Scale" Russian Air Activity - Last 36 Hrs

Post by Grifter » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:57 pm

Thanks for posting. Next time they come Brunty should launch the Lightnings for a Cold War love in.


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Post by AIRheadsFLY » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:48 pm

An overview of known intercepts in 2014 is here.

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Re: "Large Scale" Russian Air Activity - Last 36 Hrs

Post by EGDR » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:52 pm

As usual, appears to be in response to the Global Thunder exercise which just took place.

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Post by dannyf » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:40 pm

Wonder if you can track them on PP? :thumb:
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Post by Supra » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:59 pm

dannyf wrote:Wonder if you can track them on PP? :thumb:
Can't see why not!
I've always thought those sophisticated Ground radars & AWACS to be expensive toys. Hell, even NORAD are ditching theirs in favour of 'PP-Pro version 2014 update 5 :whistle: '

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Post by POL » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:25 pm

[quote="Supra"]'PP-Pro version 2014 update 5
Is it available on Android though? :whistle:

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Post by Andy_99 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:32 pm

Shhhh don't mention that too loudly I can just see the Headlines in the Daily Fail.

RAF to Ditch AWACS & replace with Smartphone App in 30Billion Cost Cutting Exercise
Savings will be spent on Affordable houtsing for Assylum seekers looking to start a new life in the UK

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Post by Malcolm » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:00 pm

I've often wondered what would happen if the Ruskies sent a pair of Bears up the English channel along the FIR between the UK and France towards Jersey/Portland, and at the same time sent a couple more Bears into the North sea. Presumably QRA N and QRA S would both launch, but where would Tansor go? I doubt we could simultaneously launch two Q tankers, and the Tiffies wouldn't last long on station without one. Then send a 5th and 6th Bear towards Stornoway and I suspect we'd be stuffed.

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Post by EGNV » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:16 pm

Malcolm wrote:I've often wondered what would happen if the Ruskies sent a pair of Bears up the English channel along the FIR between the UK and France towards Jersey/Portland, and at the same time sent a couple more Bears into the North sea. Presumably QRA N and QRA S would both launch, but where would Tansor go? I doubt we could simultaneously launch two Q tankers, and the Tiffies wouldn't last long on station without one. Then send a 5th and 6th Bear towards Stornoway and I suspect we'd be stuffed.
That would be interesting to know. How long would it actually take us to scramble more Typhoons fully armed if both North and South Q- jets are all ready tasked. Does it get practiced at all? I know it would be an extreme situation too say the least.

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Post by chrisfg1 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:34 pm

Royston wrote:
Malcolm wrote:I've often wondered what would happen if the Ruskies sent a pair of Bears up the English channel along the FIR between the UK and France towards Jersey/Portland, and at the same time sent a couple more Bears into the North sea. Presumably QRA N and QRA S would both launch, but where would Tansor go? I doubt we could simultaneously launch two Q tankers, and the Tiffies wouldn't last long on station without one. Then send a 5th and 6th Bear towards Stornoway and I suspect we'd be stuffed.
That would be interesting to know. How long would it actually take us to scramble more Typhoons fully armed if both North and South Q- jets are all ready tasked. Does it get practiced at all? I know it would be an extreme situation too say the least.
Sounds like we'll get to know quite soon! If it all goes t*ts up though maybe we'll never get to know!

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Post by the concerned » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:10 am

What about LN jets are they not able to assist plus wouldn't English channel aircraft also be picked up by Dutch/Belgian and French jets

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Post by thommg » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:46 am

dannyf wrote:Wonder if you can track them on PP? :thumb:
Errr...as they don't turn on any transponders, the answer is a definite no.

Time to buy a primary radar...perhaps a little AN/TPS-75 or similar...but good luck with the electricity bill :whistle:
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Post by zero_gravity » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:01 am

See my post...

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Re: "Large Scale" Russian Air Activity - Last 36 Hrs

Post by Malcolm » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:31 am

jem60 wrote:And what would these Bears be doing, dropping nuclear weapons on us, ??. Why on earth would they want to attack us?..
I never said attack us. They would just be on a normal training flight, just like the ones that semi regularly go down the north sea. However, simultaneously sending Bears to two/three remote areas of the UK patrolled airspace would stretch us, and reveal to them what our standing capabilities are/aren't. Provocative - yes, but they have that capability and if tensions are ratcheted up any more it's wouldn't surprise me if Putin reacts.
jem60 wrote: I suspect that if they did try a probe up the channel as you suggest, I think they may have quite job returning to their own country past NATO stuff.
Providing they stay outside of territorial airspace (12 miles off shore) there is nothing we or NATO could do about it - apart from bleat and complain.

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Post by welshandy » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:56 am

the concerned wrote:What about LN jets are they not able to assist plus wouldn't English channel aircraft also be picked up by Dutch/Belgian and French jets
My Son & I were having a discussion about the very same thing(after reading the NATO statement yesterday), what if our QRA jets were all busy on other tasks, would the 493rd be called upon to assist as they are a NATO assest? I assume not.

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Post by nickowen » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:20 am

They couldn't do it on the UK side of the Channel without a FPLN and clearance as it's Class A.
The French side however is Class E...

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Post by Malcolm » Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:51 am

nickowen wrote:They couldn't do it on the UK side of the Channel without a FPLN and clearance as it's Class A.
The French side however is Class E...
These are ICAO agreements. State/Military aircraft do not have to comply. A failure to comply results in the relevant agency (CAA in our case) filing a complaint with the state responsible for the infringing aircraft. Enforcement is then up to that foreign state. Russia would file the complaint in the round receptical in the corner of the room, assuming the aircraft commander was following his orders.

A civil aircraft has to have insurance and that would be invalidated if it didn't follow the rules. Military aircraft usually have state' backed insurance, so again doesn't apply.

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Post by Malcolm » Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:58 am

welshandy wrote:
the concerned wrote:What about LN jets are they not able to assist plus wouldn't English channel aircraft also be picked up by Dutch/Belgian and French jets
My Son & I were having a discussion about the very same thing(after reading the NATO statement yesterday), what if our QRA jets were all busy on other tasks, would the 493rd be called upon to assist as they are a NATO assest? I assume not.
Other NATO QRA aircraft are more likely to be involved than the LN Eagles. LN don't stand QRA in the UK, so it would take a significant amount of time to arm, fuel, and launch. This assumes there are command structures in place to allow a UK commander to order a US pilot and jet to shoot down an intruder into UK airspace. I doubt that agreement exists in peacetime, and in wartime we would have sufficient Typhoons on standby to cover most eventualities.

My scenario occurs on an August bank holiday Monday :-)

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Post by T_J » Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:33 pm

Tu-95MS Bear H are active using Morse and Voice. 8033 KHz USB for Voice. 8162 KHz Ground Control / 9027 KHz Air end for Morse.

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