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UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:06 pm
by EGNV
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:22 am
by C24
They could ask china, everything else seems to be made there
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:47 am
by Sparts99
Economically and practically a non starter but wouldn't it be great if they used the Su-22, Buccaneer and F-4F at Scampton.
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:31 am
by Reach1985
So basically what they are asking is someone to purchase 100 sqn. & it’s complement of Hawk MK1 & to leave it at Leeming. Except they’ll all have a Babcock badge on them?
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:23 pm
by two1938
hope leeming remains open
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:30 pm
by teeonefixer
two1938 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:23 pm
hope leeming remains open
There is a previous thread on this under the Leeming section and the base is very busy, even without 100 Sqn
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:34 pm
by teeonefixer
Reach1985 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:31 am
So basically what they are asking is someone to purchase 100 sqn. & it’s complement of Hawk MK1 & to leave it at Leeming. Except they’ll all have a Babcock badge on them?
It appears the requirements are pointing towards different type and capabilities to the TMk.1. Draken are possibly in the frame and to provide combat training over the North Sea, they could be based elsewhere (Netherlands?). The MoD are looking for MAA & CAA compliance which brings with it all sorts of complications, which may put the Hawk T1 back in the frame?
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:41 pm
by C24
Recently there were Canadian owned A4s being flown out of Germany. I saw them on ADBS but quite when escapes me
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:59 pm
by pg1610
C24 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:41 pm
Recently there were Canadian owned A4s being flown out of Germany. I saw them on ADBS but quite when escapes me
A4s and Alpha Jets are based Wittmund in Germany
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:32 pm
by somerset
So if the airfield needs to be within 30 minutes of the north sea areas, what does that mean for FOST & culdrose and Yeovilton
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:33 pm
by Kurnass
pg1610 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:59 pm
C24 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:41 pm
Recently there were Canadian owned A4s being flown out of Germany. I saw them on ADBS but quite when escapes me
A4s and Alpha Jets are based Wittmund in Germany
The Top Aces fleet at Wittmund has increased quite a lot lately, in total some 7 Skyhawks (1 TA-4J among them) and 3 Alpha Jets
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:18 pm
by teeonefixer
somerset wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:32 pm
So if the airfield needs to be within 30 minutes of the north sea areas, what does that mean for FOST & culdrose and Yeovilton
The original plan was for 736NAS to disband a couple of months ago and 100 Sqn (out of service date 2025+) to take over their tasking, possibly by a deployment down south, a bit like 19 Sqn did at St. Athan up to 2008. But they are still flying.
I don't know if the Navy will raise their own tasking request, but I presume the Falcons are still a key part.
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:43 pm
by Doughnut
Does the thirty minute transit time have any relevance other than to stop the adversary fleet being based outside the UK ? If they were based in Germany could they avoid CAA regulations ?
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:54 pm
by DavieB
Doughnut wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:43 pm
Does the thirty minute transit time have any relevance other than to stop the adversary fleet being based outside the UK ? If they were based in Germany could they avoid CAA regulations ?
It's not to do where they are based but where (i.e country) they are registered.
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:22 am
by two1938
has the mod lost their marbles again
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:26 am
by cat1
two1938 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:22 am
has the mod lost their marbles again
again?
did they ever find them?
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:59 am
by BARON243.9
teeonefixer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:18 pm
somerset wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:32 pm
So if the airfield needs to be within 30 minutes of the north sea areas, what does that mean for FOST & culdrose and Yeovilton
The original plan was for 736NAS to disband a couple of months ago and 100 Sqn (out of service date 2025+) to take over their tasking, possibly by a deployment down south, a bit like 19 Sqn did at St. Athan up to 2008. But they are still flying.
I don't know if the Navy will raise their own tasking request, but I presume the Falcons are still a key part.
The Pre-Qualification Questionnaire was released yesterday, it was short on detail but on the face of it there is no support to FOST, RNSFC nor JFACTSU; it is purely for the RAF. What is evident is that they require 2,000hrs of an air-to-air radar and RWR equipped platform, so unless somebody has magiced some Hawk mk203s out of a hat you're not gonna see one of Brough's products.
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:07 pm
by teeonefixer
BARON243.9 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:59 am
teeonefixer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:18 pm
somerset wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:32 pm
So if the airfield needs to be within 30 minutes of the north sea areas, what does that mean for FOST & culdrose and Yeovilton
The original plan was for 736NAS to disband a couple of months ago and 100 Sqn (out of service date 2025+) to take over their tasking, possibly by a deployment down south, a bit like 19 Sqn did at St. Athan up to 2008. But they are still flying.
I don't know if the Navy will raise their own tasking request, but I presume the Falcons are still a key part.
The Pre-Qualification Questionnaire was released yesterday, it was short on detail but on the face of it there is no support to FOST, RNSFC nor JFACTSU; it is purely for the RAF. What is evident is that they require 2,000hrs of an air-to-air radar and RWR equipped platform, so unless somebody has magiced some Hawk mk203s out of a hat you're not gonna see one of Brough's products.
There's a long thread on this topic in PPrune on this with comments by people who know lots more than me about requirements vs capabilities of the different platforms and the sort of regulatory hoops they will have to go through.
We all agree it has been done in a bit of a rush.
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:37 am
by steamy
The deal was released earlier in the year, but yesterday/today Draken signed a contract for purchase of a number of Dutch F-16's and equipment..... interesting development which may be of relevance
edit:
Drive article in the summer about it
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ghter-jets
Re: UK Seeking Adversary Jets Once Again
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:34 pm
by Agent K
steamy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:37 am
The deal was released earlier in the year, but yesterday/today Draken signed a contract for purchase of a number of Dutch F-16's and equipment..... interesting development which may be of relevance
edit:
Drive article in the summer about it
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ghter-jets
The article, and other information, seems to point to these being used on the US contracts, time will tell!