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Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:03 pm
by Gary
Few reports on Twitter of an incident involving a MQ-9 over the Black Sea
An “Incident” involving a U.S. Air Force MQ-9 Reaper Drone has occurred over the Black Sea, there are some reports that the Drone has been Shot Down, however an Investigation is currently ongoing.
https://twitter.com/sentdefender?s=21&t ... G-kmMbDR9Q
Re: Reports :- USAF MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:04 pm
by Gary
Russian fighter jet collides with US surveillance drone over Black Sea, forcing US to bring down drone, US military says
Russian jet collides with US drone over Black Sea
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64957792
Re: Reports :- USAF MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:17 pm
by Gary
USEUCOM has crashed due to the traffic. Someone managed to get a shot of the
Press release before the website crashed
https://twitter.com/wjhenn?s=21&t=x5DYf ... YbyL5Ul3Cg
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:22 pm
by Gary
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:37 pm
by tm74sqn
BBC Report:-
A Russian fighter jet has collided with a US drone over the Black Sea, forcing the US to bring down its unmanned aircraft, the American military says.
It says the drone was on a routine mission in international airspace when two Russian jets tried to intercept it.
The US European command said the incident was the result of an "unprofessional act by the Russians".
US and allied forces will continue to operate in international airspace, the statement added.
"Our MQ-9 aircraft was conducting routine operations in international airspace when it was intercepted and hit by a Russian aircraft, resulting in a crash and complete loss of the MQ-9," said US Air Force Gen James Hecker.
MQ-9 Reaper drones are large unmanned aircraft designed for long-endurance, high-altitude surveillance.
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:58 pm
by BOLLO
18.56 DOD briefing saying the Russian jet dumped fuel right in front of the REAPER drone and then collided with it causing damage to the propeller.?
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:31 pm
by Ghastly Whisper
Beautifully worded propaganda. Obviously there is footage of the event, it will be interesting to see if its ever released.
Fuel dump...Contrails!!
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:57 am
by C24
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:48 am
by jamesg23
C24 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:57 am
Interesting that it was intercepted. The last one that I noticed was operating at 56100’ or thereabouts. That was in February.
was that not a global hawk that you would of seen at that height? this was and MQ9 and I don't think they go that high.
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:16 am
by T_J
Ghastly Whisper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:31 pm
Beautifully worded propaganda. Obviously there is footage of the event, it will be interesting to see if its ever released.
Fuel dump...Contrails!!
It will be a fuel dump. It is a party-trick and you can see how it can be used to dump large amounts of fuel during an intercept as a tactic.
See footage from Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvaQZEhlhA0
See 2:06 & 2:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv7IFQAJF3c
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:27 am
by T_J
Ghastly Whisper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:31 pm
Beautifully worded propaganda. Obviously there is footage of the event, it will be interesting to see if its ever released.
Fuel dump...Contrails!!
You can see how the fuel dump can be used as a tactic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvwqj85zuJM
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:46 am
by Agent K
jamesg23 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:48 am
C24 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:57 am
Interesting that it was intercepted. The last one that I noticed was operating at 56100’ or thereabouts. That was in February.
was that not a global hawk that you would of seen at that height? this was and MQ9 and I don't think they go that high.
Yes Jamesg23 agreed I think only the Global Hawks transpond visibly, and I've seen those too in the area on radar. I too thought the MQ9 was about 25,000 feet but quick research seems to indicate an altitude capability of ~ 50,000 ft.
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:49 am
by OnlinePhotoGalleries
Would they be be able to retrieve the wreckage from that location ?
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:08 pm
by C24
I have checked and it was one of the Global Hawks out of Sicily that I had noticed. As stated, the Reaper has a maximum stated ceiling of 50 000’.
Has anyone found an accurate report of the interception height?
Of concern is the fuel dump tactic. If used against a Rivet Joint or similar aircraft there could be serious consequences.
The Fat Lady is still in full voice
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:41 pm
by Thunder44
Sorry but how does a SU27 clip a drone and not crash down into the ocean too? They story the yanks are coming away with doesn't make sense.
If it did hit the drone's prop, both aircraft would have been damaged and lost?
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:49 pm
by Agent K
Thunder44 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:41 pm
Sorry but how does a SU27 clip a drone and not crash down into the ocean too? They story the yanks are coming away with doesn't make sense.
If it did hit the drone's prop, both aircraft would have been damaged and lost?
Until the facts become clearer, if they ever do, then it's rather presumptuous to state what did and didn't happen and why the "Americans" are not making sense. After all they have no responsibility to provide detail to anyone other than the military leadership.
I'm no expert (well a little I guess) but quite easily a prop or fuselage strike could cause limited damage to an aircraft. Have there not been a number of mid air comings together where one or both aircraft have retuned to base, I can think of the two Rafales barely a few years back and both RTB'd.
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:53 pm
by POL
Thunder44 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:41 pm
Sorry but how does a SU27 clip a drone and not crash down into the ocean too? They story the yanks are coming away with doesn't make sense.
If it did hit the drone's prop, both aircraft would have been damaged and lost?
Nonsense, props are by design quite fragile, so other than a few cuts to the nosecone of an Su-27 (or at worst, the loss of the fairing itself), it's unlikely to be that seriously damaged it can't RTB.
ven if it did cause more damage, aircraft are
strong and other than the fuselage skin, can take a hell of a beating.
Case in point:
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:57 pm
by T_J
Thunder44 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:41 pm
Sorry but how does a SU27 clip a drone and not crash down into the ocean too? They story the yanks are coming away with doesn't make sense.
If it did hit the drone's prop, both aircraft would have been damaged and lost?
No different to past incidents where interceptions resulted in collisions. Su-27 and P-3 collision in 1987. Both aircraft were damaged, but able to recover and land safely.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/that-ti ... rents-sea/
Also no different to aircraft during formation flying making contact with each other and able to recover safely. During 2018 two RAF Embraer Phenoms collided during a formation flight. The crews were able to
recover the aircraft after the collision.
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:18 pm
by Thunder44
But if a SU-27 hit the prop, it would have to have hit the two tail fins. No way that it couldn't have.
Also if it hit the nose cone, it pretty much means a full impact. It cant be anything other than a full impact.
I personally think either the fuel release caused it to fall and crash or some EM warfare weapon caused it similar the the USS Donald Cook incident.
Re: Reports :- SU-27 & MQ-9 “incident” over the Black Sea
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:34 pm
by Agent K
Thunder44 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:18 pm
But if a SU-27 hit the prop, it would have to have hit the two tail fins. No way that it couldn't have.
Not necessarily?
Also if it hit the nose cone, it pretty much means a full impact. It cant be anything other than a full impact.
Why does it mean that?
I personally think either the fuel release caused it to fall and crash or some EM warfare weapon caused it similar the the USS Donald Cook incident.
We can all personally think anything, it's best to wait till more detailed facts emerge.
