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Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by Topro » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:41 am

Yes weathing would be great as would a good explanation of approaching airbrushing. Would like to work out how to get the finer details - from what you have said it is probably the needle in use ?

Also how to plan painting - which colours/areas are ususally best to do first......

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:49 pm

No problem, before I start to paint the outside of the aircraft I will try and do a 'spraying how to' . As you say the spray width is mainly down to the needle size but it also comes down to how far away you hold the brush. I will explain more with some sort of illustrations and photos. I won't be pre shading on this kit as it is a beginners build but I shall do the panel lines with the pro modeler wash (as long as this is what people want me to do :thumb: )

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by HighlandSniper » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:24 pm

viper3111 wrote: I won't be pre shading on this kit as it is a beginners build but I shall do the panel lines with the pro modeler wash (as long as this is what people want me to do :thumb: )
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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:49 pm

Hi folks,

I now have my Tamiya 1/48 spitfire Mk.Vb, it does have two 'schemes' but thankfully they are both the same colours :D

The conversion for these paints instead of using the Tamiya mixing combo's are

Humbrol; 78, 106, 159, 165. These are the paints for the interior and the camouflage.
Other useful paints are
Humbrol; 33, 29, 69, 11, 191, 21.

If you would like to use different makes of paint you can convert these using the colour conversion chart link on the 'references' thread in the general chat area.

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:27 am

Here is the kit, I haven't seen this one inside the box before but from the first look it is a really nice kit. There is a nice bit of detailing without being difficult to build :thumb: Which is what I wanted for this build. This really makes me interested in getting there forthcoming 1/32 spit :unsure:
Ive built there 1/48 ME-109 and that was pretty much the same set up, simple kit but nicely done.

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The kit is made up from 2 sprue's, molded in dark grey styrene with no 'flash' what so ever. You are given the choice between the normal wing set up or a 'clip' wing version. For those who are following, there is little difference between the schemes so it is your choice which wing you would like to do. I will be doing the clip wing version.

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On closer look there are 3 aircraft to choose from, they are all the same colour cammo but the markings are as follows;
1) 243sqdn serial EN821 coded SN M
2) 316sqdn serial BL479 coded SZ X
3) Fighter comand, wing commander A.G.Malan coded AG M
So again the choice for those following, is yours :thumb:

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by tc2324 » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:14 pm

316 Sqn gets my vite Viper. :thumbs:
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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:52 pm

Thanks for waiting, now that I have my kit I can start this properly.

First things first, here is the kit

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This is a fairly simple kit but there is a nice bit of detailing to get stuck into. It is molded in dark grey styrene with no flash what so ever (which is good for a stater kit). The lay out is nice and straight forward as well, and comprises of 2 'sprues' of grey parts and 1 'sprue' of clear parts. It has a choice of canopy to which I will come back to when building the aircraft. I wont be putting the pilot in but please feel free to put yours in if you wish (I never put the pilots in as I cant paint people to save my life :lol: )

right where to begin, this sounds like an obvious question but when you have been building kits as long as I have it doesn't necessarily mean starting at part '1'. For this build I will stick mainly to the lay out of the plans, but as time goes on you will find that whilst the parts you have just painted or glued can be left to one side you can start another section eg the cockpit is drying so you could start on the drop tanks of armament (aircraft dependant) but you get the idea. This is your hobby so do it how you feel comfortable.

Firstly we have the instructions

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One good thing about Tamiya instruction sheets is that they are clear and well laid out. As a bonus they also tell you what colour pretty much every part is to be painted. It is in there own paint range numbers but these can be easily converted using the paint conversion chart I have posted on the references section. Failing that, on this build if you need to know what colour it is just ask me. I will however point out what paint I am using for what part as I go along. But please if you have a better idea or colour then use that and if you want point it out to myself and other people on here then please do so. I will be posting on here every Saturday so there will be plenty of time during the week for people to post there questions about what we have just done or are about to do after my post.

I will show the part of the instructions first, before I start showing what we are doing. That way we can see where we are up to, but as I said I will be folowing the instructions step by step so we shouldn't get to confused.

OK, here we go
As I always say, if you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask :thumb:

Firstly these are the tools I will be using to start with

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Revell contacta, sprue cutters and my trusty file.

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I have removed the first parts of the cockpit from the sprue, the areas were they were attached to the sprues has been cleaned up with the file. Thankfully there is no 'flash' (this is when the molds are not very good or are getting old so the styrene runs out) to clean up so we can move onto dry fitting these parts. I would always recommend dry fitting parts before you glue them as this will ensure a good fit or will point out where any filing or filling may be needed.

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There are however a few injector pin marks on some parts. These are easy to get rid of with just a file. Injector pin marks are where the styrene is injected into the molds, some are usually very small but you will find some really do stick out. Thankfully, the majority of them are in places that wont be seen and its just down to personal preference and pride of work as to whether you remove them.

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I will be leaving the rear armour plate off for now as it will be easier to paint. I will be spraying mine but please use what ever technique you feel best with. I will of coarse explain what Ive done and how Ive done it as we go along.
But for this I think it is best to leave the plate of for now even if you are brushing it as it will allow you to get to all the parts. You can even leave the plate on the sprue for now as it will be easier to paint what ever way you are doing it.

I have run a bead of glue along were the red is on the picture below. Revell contact actually melts the styrene so please use it sparingly.

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The bottom section of the cockpit has now been fitted

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I actually started building on friday, so please don't think I have done this all in one go. The next steps were done on Saturday after the parts I glued friday had dried.

Next I will glue the head armour on to the cockpit, apply a thin bead of glue around the area shown. You don't need to cover the entire area in glue, this is just to show the general area. Revell contact runs quite nicely so you don't need to much of it.

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The head armour is now put in place

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I will also glue the pedals in place so that they are easier to paint, and as they all need a coat of 78 interior green it just makes it easier to do this way.

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I have run a bead of glue along were the red line is

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The pedals have now been put in place, just for simplicity I won't show all the parts in there 'dry fitting' stage so all parts from now on have been dry fitted and then glued.

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Now for the regulator, this goes behind the head armor

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For this I think it is bets to put the glue just around the opening for the pin as this will limit any glue over spill

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It is now in place

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The next step will be to paint the cockpit and the side interior wall of the fuselage. This will be done in the next edition, I will be using humbrol 78 interior green.

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:08 pm

Sorry folks, as it was such a dismal day weather wise I have done a bit more.
I have now given the cockpit and the fuselage side walls a coat of humbrol 78 interior green. As I don't do many RAF aircraft im not used to the RAF interior green, I must say that is is a lot nicer than the US version.
Any way back to the build, I sprayed the cockpit with a ratio of about 30:4 (which is 30 drops of 78 mixed with 4 drops of white spirit) I never normally measure my paint out but just for this I have. The way I normally do it is, if I am using enamels (which isn't very often any more) I just put enough paint into the paint cup to cover the bottom up to about 1/4 of the way up then add a few drops of white spirit. I then give it a stir and if it 'clings' to the side of the colour cup without being to thick or thin that will do. But as I have said as this is a beginners guide I actual measured them out.
I used my compressor on about 15-25psi and sprayed the parts from a distance of about 10cm (2-3 inches in old money). The best way to get a nice coverage is to keep your brush moving, and not to hold it in one place as this will create 'puddles' and 'runs'.

Here is the outcome

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As you can see I use my clamping tweezers to hold the parts whilst spraying/painting. Basically you can use what ever comes to hand, as long as you don't mind getting paint on the. But even if you do get paint they are easy to clean with some white spirit, acrylic cleaner and some wet and dry paper.

I have also sprayed the side walls with the 78, I find that if you have a few parts that all need a coat of the same colour then spray them all in one go. I usually forget which parts should be the colour that Im spraying and end up doing parts that don't need it :lol: (so if you see that I have sprayed a part that isn't meant to be that colour, this is why. We shall just call it undercoat :whistle: )

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The next step, once all this is dry will be to start brush 'picking out' the detail parts. Below is a link to some really nice pictures of the spit MKvb cockpit, which I will be going by for this build. So I won't be following the kit instructions for the painting of my cockpit. I will however explain what I am doing and how at every step.

This is the link http://gallery.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php/cat/23005

For those who are following with the exact same kit, you will notice that in the instructions it states that the dials should only be partly black in the center. But as you will see in the pics the whole top part is actually black. For our build this will make it easier to paint.

I have now started to paint the cockpit details, this is my instrument panel. As you can see I have painted the top half black using Vallejo black but humbrol 33 will be just as good.

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The regulator on the back of the seat and the control handle has also been 'picked out' using Vallejo black brushed on. I like this paint as it's not to matt but isn't to shiny (if that makes sence :S )

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I promise I wont jump in anymore until next saturday.

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by HighlandSniper » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:27 pm

Excellent and really interesting, I'm learning something new with every installment. I'm getting more and more convinced that I need an airbrush but the thought terrifies me.

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:31 pm

Today I will be picking out the detail on the cockpit side walls, instrument panel and seat. For those people who would like to do a bit of weathering I will also be using some of the pro-modeller washes. These wouldn't normally be in a beginners guide but they are so simple to use and give such a good effect I thought that it may be good for me to show people how to use them. This is totally up to personal preference and I will of coarse show you how to get other effects with just normal paint.

To begin with I have 'picked out' some of the boxes and dials on the side walls using my trusty Vallejo black (33 is just as good)

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I have also gone over some of the details using the 'dry brushing' technique. To do this what you do is take a fairly warn brush (or you can even buy a proper dry brushing brush by Vallejo, I use my on for my weathering washes) and choose your colour, for this I am using humbrol 11 silver fox. Then dip your brush into the paint (not to much on the brush) then using a piece of kitchen roll or like me just wipe the it on the card that cover my desk wipe of the excess so that when you go over the surface there is just the slightest hint of the paint. When you go over your surface any 'lumps and bumps' will be highlighted by the paint. You may have to repeat the proses as the paint that is left on your brush doesn't last long. I tend to use this on dials, switches and anything that may get warn by general use.

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You will see that I have paint the dial in the box white, this is on the photo bellow so I thought that I would paint it as such. I used Vallejo white (34 will be just as good). I will add a bit of red as it has a red stripe on it.

The seat, I sprayed interior green when I sprayed when I painted the other green parts. I have now used vallejo tan on the cushion on the back (29 or similar shade will be good).

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Now for the first weathering part. For this I will be using the pro-modeller light dirt wash. For any one not familiar with these products, they are a water based weathering wash that you brush on to the area that you want to be 'weathered' Leave it to dry for about 1hr then using a piece of kitchen roll (not loo roll as it gets a bit messy as the loo roll breaks up) or a cotton bud that have been slightly moistened just wipe of the the excess solution. This will then leave you with a 'dirt' build up around structures, pipes or any thing that is raised or sunk.

Here is a link that will give you a better picture of the products http://www.promodeller.com/ You can buy it direct from them at £5.50 a bottle. This sounds a lot but they last a very long time.

This is what I will be using

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All I have done is brushed the wash over the rear cushion on the seat and let it dry(its still wet in this picture, the washes all dry mat)

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I have now used a slightly moistened cotton bud to wipe of the excess wash

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As you can see, all that is left is some 'light dirt' in between the lines and the overall appearance is 'worn'.

On to the Cockpit walls, I am using pro-modeller dark dirt for this. It is applied in the same way as the seat and removed it the same way.

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I have brushed the wash over the surface of the side walls

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Once that is dry I will wipe of the excess with a moistened cotton bud.
It has now been left for 1hr so I can wipe the excess off.

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As you can see all you are left with is a 'dirty' look to the cockpit. I will be giving the rest of the cockpit a coat of the wash as well.

I have dry brushed the instrument panel with 11 silver fox to pick out the dials and rivets. I have also painted the dial bezels with 69 yellow and one with vallejo red.

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The real one

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The seat and the cockpit have now been given the same treatment with the wash

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For the control column I have used Vallejo black (33) for the wires and I have then used a very fine paint brush (about 5-0) to paint the gun lever using 11 silver fox. This was all sprayed green with the rest of the cockpit.

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The cockpit itself, the rear armour plate has now been glued into place and I have painted the foot pedal straps with Vallejo leather brown and then dry brushed the actual pedals and surrounding area with 11 silver fox. I have now brushed the entire cockpit with pro-modeller dark dirt. After 1hr I have now wiped of the rest of the wash to leave the 'dirty' look.

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Once all the was done, I have painted the two control rods that go up the side of the floor with 11. Then I have dry brushed the armour with 11 to give it a 'worn' look.

Next time I will be assembling the rest of the cockpit and any more detailing that is needed, then it will be on to putting the fuselage together. Strangely on the Tamiya kit the cockpit goes in after the two halves are toghether.

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by tc2324 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:28 pm

Excellent work so far Shaun. The level of detail so far is well beyond my capabilities at the mo. Looking forward to the next update and finished product. :thumb:
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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by HighlandSniper » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:34 pm

Looking good Shaun.

Can you please give details of the Vallejo dry brushing brush, i.e. number etc., and who stocks them. I haven't ben able to find it on their website - thanks.

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:43 pm

Sure thing Rob,


It actual came in the Vallejo starter paint set, its code is Vallejo Drybrush, p530#4
Here is there entire product range, http://www.wargame-innovations.co.uk/fi ... alogue.pdfI will search the net to see where you can get them separately

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by HighlandSniper » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:53 pm

Thanks Shaun - I've already tried searching with little luck. I use drybrushing quite a bit for my 1/6th scale figure work and weapons and have been looking for a proper brush for this for ages. I have quite a selection of Vallejo paints, but have never tried their brushes. SWMBO is quite into arty-farty things and guards her Kolinsky sable brushes despite the fact I bought them for her ;)


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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by HighlandSniper » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:03 pm

Thanks again - I just hope I can be as helpful as you are when the need arises.

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:09 pm

No worries,
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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by HighlandSniper » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:32 pm

I wish ... ... ... my main problem with regard to the lottery is failing to buy a ticket :blush:

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by viper3111 » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:57 am

tc2324 wrote:Excellent work so far Shaun. The level of detail so far is well beyond my capabilities at the mo. Looking forward to the next update and finished product. :thumb:
Sorry about that, my intentions were for a beginners guide, I forget that after modeling for 25 years there are some things that people wouldn't do as a beginner. Its hard trying to forget everything I have picked up over time. Everything I do is quite easy to do, the washes are literally brush on, wipe of. If you go wrong or don't like what you have done you can just wipe it of completey and start again.

I find the best way for a good bit of basic detailing is research, on here I am supplying pretty much all the research that is needed. Like instrument panel lay out, interior that sort of thing. Then all you need is a tiny paint brush (about a 5-0), a steady hand and a cup of tea (or coffee) and enjoy Image. Detailing is down to personal choice, you can do as much or as little as you like. What I have done on here is purely a guide on some of the techniques, they are not mandatory and there are other ways to do things.

Im glad you like it any way, I will try to keep it simple. I can always do another build that is just the basics, but if people don't tell me what they want then I don't know how simple/detailed to go. So any feed back please post it in the 'beginners guide general chat' thread and I will take note and do a build according to what people want.

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Re: Beginners Guide 1/48 spitfire

Post by aviationandy » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:51 am

Viper is absolutly right, when you have been building kits for many years, these little things that you do become second nature. :)

Dry-brushing, weathering, etc become part of the process.

I was talking to one of our painters at work, & asked him why when he was painting door frames, he gave the brush a little wiggle halfway down the frame, which releases a little more paint from the bristles, but he had been doing for so long, it became habit.

The trick with building kits, like anything in life, is ENJOY it. If you are pleased with the end result thats all that matters. I gave trying to impress other people a long time ago... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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