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"What if" Group Build - time to vote!

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Nice and simple - vote for your winner

10 davedubya`s Gotha 229 Tarnkappenbomber
7
16%
20 FTS`s CF-4 Phantom II FGR.2 'Tigermeet 1996'
3
7%
30 seven`s Harrier FGR.13
8
18%
40 Waghorns Sea Hunter
7
16%
50 davedubya's Saab/Hawker Siddeley Tempest FG1
19
43%
 
Total votes: 44

GOOSE

"What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by GOOSE » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:26 am

With thanks to tc2324 for his work, vision and efforts....Image


Welcome to the 1st, and possibly the last , What if GB on the FC modelling section. Please feel free to cast your eye over the weird. and in some cases, the downright whacky ideas from the participants. Remember, vote for what you like, the idea, the standard of build or in one case, the brightness of it all.

First up is davedubya`s Gotha 229 Tarnkappenbomber

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Next is FTS`s CF-4 Phantom II FGR.2 'Tigermeet 1996' with backstory

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In the 1960s, Canada unilaterally gave up its nuclear capability, and cut down its European presence to only three Starfighter squadrons. Because of fiscal restraints, the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) had been unable to procure CF-104 Starfighters and CF-101 Voodoos in sufficient numbers to replace all the Avro CF-100s and Canadair Sabres in service, and the RCAF had a need for a more affordable supersonic fighter.

In search of a more affordable fighter, Canada launched a competition for a lightweight fighter contract. The list of competitors was sort of bizarre, many of the entries being far from lightweight. They included the Fiat G-91, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, McDonnell F-4 Phantom, Rockwell A-5A Vigilante, Grumman A-6A Intruder, LTV A-7A Corsair II, Republic F-105 Thunderchief, North American F-100S (a derivative of the Super Sabre), the North American F-107A, the General Dynamics F-111, and the Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter. The RCAF had a strong preference for the F-4 Phantom, and in July of 1965 announced it as the winner and the US offered the CAF designed for the latest F-4J variant.

Also in 1965, the RAF adopted for the F-4M, designated the FGR.2 and was a complete multi-role platform. The Canadians saw the advantages of the F-4M over the F-4J, which was designed with the CAP role more in mind, and decided that a multi-role variant was a more cost effective option. The CF-4 and the F-4M were both produced on the same production lines and were powered by Rolls-Royce Spey 202/203 engines. The CF-4 was first flown shortly after the first F-4M in 1967 and the first CF-4s were delivered to the Canadain Air Force in 1969. Following the introduction of the Phantom into CAF service, all CF-104 were withdrawn from service and sold off to other operators, leaving the CF-4 as the sole supersonic fighter in service with the CAF.

In 1980, the F/A-18 was selected as the winner of the New Fighter Aircraft competition, and a production order was awarded. The Canadian Air Force received its first CF-18s in 1982. With the introduction of the CF-18 the CF-4 was no longer required and the last type was withdrawn from active service in 1986.

The aircraft which i've modelled was in service with 439 Sqn and was painted in this 'special' scheme for the 1969 Tigermeet at RAF Woodbridge.

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Following on is seven`s Harrier FGR.13 again with backstory.

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Storyline:
In late 2011, trouble began to arise in Argentina, and threats were again made over the Falkland Islands. BAE had covertly taken on a few Harriers after the highly publised retirement, and began work on an interim platform to operate from HMS Invicible and possibly HMS Ocean should the need arise. They simply took the Blue Vixen radar, and placed it on the airframe of the GR7/9's they had aquired. One of these was ZD375, which somehow ended up fitted with an unidentified GR.7 wing. After a series of trials at BAE Warton, it was passed to the Royal Navy, where a full evaluation was carried out before the troubles arose. Upon hearing the threats, the MOD ordered 12 conversions, with another 2 T.12's and 2 T.8's made airworthy. 801NAS was chosen to carry the burden, and with pride and awe the squadron stood up at RNAS Yeovilton and immidiately began training with the T.8s, followed shortly by the arrival of the T.12s. ZD375 was the first FGR.13 to be placed into the squadron, after acceptance tests were completed. The full weapons outfit from the GR.9 was kept, along with the addition of the AA and ASW capabilites of the Blue Vixen system.

After 3 conversions were completed, the threat of hostilities died down yet again, and the MOD were left twiddling there thumbs as to what to do with the aircraft. After much consideration, another 12 were ordered, with the rest of the T.12's and another 2 T.8s made airworthy. 809NAS Stood up shortly after.

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Up next, Waghorns Sea Hunter and story.

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BAe (Hawker) Sea Hunter
With the world-wide recession biting ever deeper the MOD decided in 2012 that it could no longer support global operations. The UK was being targeted by smugglers and pirates and the Navy had very few vessels suited for inshore patrol work.

Existing aircraft in the FAA inventory were deemed too costly for this sort of deployment due to the support resources required. It was decided to ask manufacturers for design proposals to meet the new requirement.

While sorting through the archives ready to move to a long term storage facility a BAe design engineer came across a concept sketch, dated 1958, for a float plane variant of the Hunter. He immediately realised the potential of an established design with proven structural integrity and payload capability particularly in the two seat variant. A true pilot’s aeroplane and with ease of maintenance the only problem would be acquiring sufficient airworthy numbers from the civil register. The BAe design team reworked the concept into a viable design and acquired a single T7 which was suitably modified ready to present to the MOD.

Re-engined with the FGA9’s Avon 200 and crewed by a pilot and weapons officer/observer the Sea Hunter proved an immediate hit as senior members in the Admiralty realised that with modern technology current warships could be fitted with catapults to enable greater flexibility of the fleet in the absence of the promised carrier replacements.

The Hunter shown is the original BAe prototype fitted with a radar pod and homing torpedo for coastal interdiction. The single Aden was retained for defence and supporting firepower. Able to operate in sheltered coastal waters and ports the Sea Hunter proved a successful asset in the protection of the British Isles

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And a second entry by davedubya with his Saab/Hawker Siddeley Tempest FG1

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And bringing up the rear, no jokes please, my Tu-90 effort. Although please remember you can`t vote for me as I`m the prize giver.

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In the late 1940s the Soviet Union was strongly committed to matching the United States in strategic bombing capability. The Soviets' only long-range bomber at the time was Tupolev's Tu-4 'Bull', a reverse-engineered version of the American B-29 Superfortress. The development of the extremely powerful Mikulin AM-3 turbojet led to the possibility of a large, jet-powered bomber.
The Tupolev design bureau began work on the Tu-90 ("Aircraft P") prototypes in 1949. To save time and resources the new turbo jets, wing and tail designs were mated to the already existing Tu-4 fuselage. The Tu-90 prototype first flew on 2 April 1950, however, it soon became apparent that the cockpit layout and bomb bay would need to be redesigned to take into account the visibility at great speeds and larger weapons now coming into service.

By 1954, the now re-designated Tu-16, started to reach front line units in the Soviet Air force.


Hope you enjoyed the madness, please vote and then I can call the men in white coats and have the winner removed to a secure area. :lol:

tc2324

Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by tc2324 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:37 pm

Poll will close at 10pm next Thursday chaps.

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by waghorn41 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:57 am

Well I wanted to vote for the Tu90 !
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beefsteak

Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by beefsteak » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:56 pm

Great builds there chaps , well done to all of you (Wish I could do it )

Anybody mind if I do the obvious and post a link to the original thread. ? (I nearly missed IT!!...........LOL)

And is there any chance Davedubya could invent a story for his two well made models please ??

tc2324

Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by tc2324 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:22 pm

beefsteak wrote:
And is there any chance Davedubya could invent a story for his two well made models please ??
Dave, over to you old chap. ;)

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by davedubya » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:09 pm

Saab/Hawker Siddeley Tempest FG1:
For their Air Combat Fighter competition in the 1970s, NATO were looking for a replacement for their Lightnings, Phantoms, Starfighters and Thunderchiefs. Of the five or six entrants bidding for the contract, one was an export version of the Viggen offered up by Saab. However, due to questions over potential supply problems during wartime from a neutral country it lost out to other contenders. What If Saab had won the contract and, working with Hawker Siddeley, the aircraft had gone into service with the RAF - as the Tempest.

Gotha 229 Tarnkappenbomber:
In 1943, Hermann Goring issued a command for designs to be produced of an aircraft capable of carrying a 1,000 kg load over 1,000 km at 1,000 km/h. The Hortens came up with a flying wing design that could meet those goals, and by the start of 1945 jet-powered prototypes were already performing flight tests - supposedly out-performing Me262s. Not only did the aircraft have a low radar cross section, the Hortens experimented with charcoal-based paints and glues for construction which helped with radio wave absorption - giving the Luftwaffe a primitive "stealth" bomber. However, Gotha (who were to manufacture the aircraft) had its factories decimated, the allies were on top of Germany and there was no longer any funding to build them. What If a significant number had been built and the Luftwaffe's aerial capabalities suddenly made a great leap ahead of the Allies?

tc2324

Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by tc2324 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:33 pm

Just over 24 Hours left to vote on this one chaps. :)

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by waghorn41 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:54 am

I'm just surprised my entry got any votes :)
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tc2324

Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by tc2324 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:26 am

waghorn41 wrote:I'm just surprised my entry got any votes :)
You shouldn`t be. That was a top idea. I have seen a lot of whifs in my time, never seen a Hunter on floats. Your almost as bonkers as me.... :D

Well chaps, only another 9 and a half hours left to vote. ;)

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by waghorn41 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:45 pm

tc2324 wrote:Your almost as bonkers as me.... :D
Almost? No, definitely far more bonkers - my alternative whif was to ditch the jet and stick a double banked radial with a big prop on the front of a single seat version, and yes I had the wacky story to go with it :lol:
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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by seven » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:17 pm

Do it!

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tc2324

Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by tc2324 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:21 pm

A little bit late, but the vote is now over. According to my maths that makes Dave the winner with his stunning Saab/Hawker Siddeley Tempest FG1.

I`d like to thank the FC admin team for helping out with the tricky bits....... :thumbs:

..........but more importantly, I`d like to say a big thanks to you guys that entered. All were great builds and ideas and I hope you enjoyed creating them as much as I enjoyed seeing them completed. :thumb:

Well done all.

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by waghorn41 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:17 pm

OK, quick question but maybe not a quick answer. can anybody tell me what kit the floats on the Hunter came from? They've been in my bits box for 40 odd years and I've no idea except it was probably a 1/72 Airfix model. :unsure:
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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by seven » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:21 pm

Look like the floats from an Auster to me! Only kits i can think of that would have those would be Auster, Arado 196(but you need to use those), Heinkel 115 (You need to use these too, and too big), DHC-6 Twin Otter, Norduyn Norsemann. My guess one of these, most likely the Auster.

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by tc2324 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:59 pm

Think they are from a matchbox 1/72 fairey seafox :unsure:

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by waghorn41 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:41 pm

I thought Auster too but then wasn't that kit in yellow and these floats were definitely white plastic and I thought too big for the Auster? Never had any of the other kits mentioned.
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beefsteak

Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by beefsteak » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:05 pm

A 'Jake' Seaplane ?

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by beefsteak » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:20 pm

Me thinks somebody has been peeping on our site and pinched Waghorn41s idea !!

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by Mike » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:32 pm

waghorn41 wrote:I thought Auster too but then wasn't that kit in yellow and these floats were definitely white plastic and I thought too big for the Auster? Never had any of the other kits mentioned.
Were they from the Airfix 1/72nd Beaver kit ?, it came with wheels and floats - the kit was produced in white plastic.

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Re: "What if" Group Build - time to vote!

Post by davedubya » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:30 pm

tc2324 wrote:A little bit late, but the vote is now over. According to my maths that makes Dave the winner with his stunning Saab/Hawker Siddeley Tempest FG1.

I`d like to thank the FC admin team for helping out with the tricky bits....... :thumbs:

..........but more importantly, I`d like to say a big thanks to you guys that entered. All were great builds and ideas and I hope you enjoyed creating them as much as I enjoyed seeing them completed. :thumb:

Well done all.
Thanks to all who voted, and to everyone who organised and took part in it.

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