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Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by razor23uk » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:01 am

2e1var wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:42 am
Seahornet1 wrote:
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MRTT wrote:
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Must have hit an ostritch then as no bird is capable of doing that amount of damage..
Also, it's a pretty odd birdstrike that damages the trailing edge of the tail.... Either the bird was at Mach 0.8, or the Viper was flying backwards....? ;)
I getting slated for this everywhere else but I had the scanner on and the Viper pilot clearly said 'aircraft damaged by accidental deployment of tail hook'.
I'm guessing from the pics I've seen it turned out to be something different but that was what was reported at the time.
I heared the same on my scanner...most definately said damage was caused by "the hook"...I can only guess he means the emergency arrester hook?
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by PeteHemsley » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:17 am

Photos of the aircraft clearly show the arrestor hook still in position.

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by Zac Hinchcliffe » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:27 am

Hi everyone

I don't want you to read this as a complaint or moan, but I wondered if there was something wrong/restrictions to the MiG-21 display? Aside from the 747 pass, the Lancer display seemed like the highest and furthest away display on Saturday. Viewing was still excellent of course, but the photographer in me was a little underwhelmed for the majority of the display. Am I just forgetting how old these jets actually are now and their maneuverability isn't as impressive as the 4th and 5th Gen jets so had to take precautions? For those who were there, what was it like on Sunday in comparison?

Apart from that, I thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed Saturday (including the Lancer display!). For me, the stand out highlight was the Harrier display as well as the Belgian and US Viper displays. The Swiss Hornet and RAF Typhoon were close followers in terms of wow and for someone who used to like 10 minutes from Coningsby, it's a testament to the Typhoon display routine at how high up in the rankings it falls every time I see it. Loved the static park this year with so many beautiful schemes. I think the German Tornado was probably my favourite scheme, although the Nato F4 was stunning.

See you next year for more!

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by tayloss » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:39 am

I didn't really notice the distance, but seem fairly close on Sunday.. Saturday for me at least (being the first time), I had my mouth open, so I probably would have been happy if it was miles away!

Not sure why the show was so quite on Sunday, but it mean more room in the grandstand almost falling backward taking pictures of the Flanker! :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by Campbell89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:40 am

Zac Hinchcliffe wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:27 am
I think the German Tornado was probably my favourite scheme, although the Nato F4 was stunning.
The German Tigermeet Tornado was awesome in the flesh and my favourite static aircraft, however I was blown away at the brightness and size of the Flanker.

I agree with the F4 though, both were stunning.

Think I’m going to have RIAT blues for the next 360 days until RIAT 2020!

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Post by Zac Hinchcliffe » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:46 am

Campbell89 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:40 am
however I was blown away at the brightness and size of the Flanker.
Absolutely! Considering it's not even a special scheme, that two-seater really is stunning! The size is phenomenal! It makes the Tigermeet Typhoon look tiny! Special mention to the D-Day F-16s too. Loved all of them!

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by Campbell89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:54 am

Zac Hinchcliffe wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:46 am

Absolutely! Considering it's not even a special scheme, that two-seater really is stunning! The size is phenomenal! It makes the Tigermeet Typhoon look tiny! Special mention to the D-Day F-16s too. Loved all of them!

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Post by Mike » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:58 am

Campbell89 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:54 am
Zac Hinchcliffe wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:46 am

Absolutely! Considering it's not even a special scheme, that two-seater really is stunning! The size is phenomenal! It makes the Tigermeet Typhoon look tiny! Special mention to the D-Day F-16s too. Loved all of them!

Zac
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Sweatshop? That doesn't sound good. :unsure:
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by Campbell89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:02 am

Mike wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:58 am
Sweatshop? That doesn't sound good. :unsure:
Edited now, autocorrect strikes again!

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by StevenNFFC » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:03 pm

Think I’m going to have RIAT blues for the next 360 days until RIAT 2020!

I hope that doesn't mean we get the "What aircraft do you want to see at RIAT 2020" or the "Wishlist" threads starting tomorrow :lol: :lol:

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Post by Zac Hinchcliffe » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:06 pm

StevenNFFC wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:03 pm
Think I’m going to have RIAT blues for the next 360 days until RIAT 2020!

I hope that doesn't mean we get the "What aircraft do you want to see at RIAT 2020" or the "Wishlist" threads starting tomorrow :lol: :lol:
A mass flypast of 747s painted in the black, white, yellow and red of the Marmite display team colours :lol:

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by Campbell89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:19 pm

StevenNFFC wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:03 pm
Think I’m going to have RIAT blues for the next 360 days until RIAT 2020!

I hope that doesn't mean we get the "What aircraft do you want to see at RIAT 2020" or the "Wishlist" threads starting tomorrow :lol: :lol:
Well, now you mention it... :lol:

I’ll leave that to others!

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Post by Malcolm » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:33 pm

There was a period in the late '70's and early 80's when there were many more military aircraft around, and many more diverse types, but airshow circuit was full of Pitts special display teams - The Rothmans Pitts Specials, the Dunlop Pitts Specials, the Marlborough Pitts specials etc, etc. This plague infested several IAT's at Greenham, and to this day I still can't stand Pitts specials.

I think both Fairford and Yeovilton do a good gob of keeping the majority of the civvy ***** out. Sure it would be nice to get a few more 'interesting' bits in the flying display, but ultimately Fairford is still the #1 must not miss show for the military enthusiast.

Had a call from a relative in Australia yesterday who was watching it online - and his 'wow' display was the BA 747 with the reds. He obviously needs educating, but it wouldn't surprise me if many other of the Joe public at the show thought the same. For me it was the A-400M almost upside down in the cloudbase - I went Friday and only about 5 things actually flew :P

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by Campbell89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:45 pm

What other air shows are there of a similar calibre to RIAT?

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by sgtangel » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:04 pm

Campbell89 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:45 pm
What other air shows are there of a similar calibre to RIAT?
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Post by sabrejet » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:17 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:33 pm
There was a period in the late '70's and early 80's when there were many more military aircraft around, and many more diverse types, but airshow circuit was full of Pitts special display teams - The Rothmans Pitts Specials, the Dunlop Pitts Specials, the Marlborough Pitts specials etc, etc. This plague infested several IAT's at Greenham, and to this day I still can't stand Pitts specials.

I think both Fairford and Yeovilton do a good gob of keeping the majority of the civvy ***** out. Sure it would be nice to get a few more 'interesting' bits in the flying display, but ultimately Fairford is still the #1 must not miss show for the military enthusiast.

Had a call from a relative in Australia yesterday who was watching it online - and his 'wow' display was the BA 747 with the reds. He obviously needs educating, but it wouldn't surprise me if many other of the Joe public at the show thought the same. For me it was the A-400M almost upside down in the cloudbase - I went Friday and only about 5 things actually flew :P
Hilarious. I went to most of the Greenham IAT's and don't remember it that way. Highlight of the 1977 IAT? A civil P-51!! And I'm sure I don't recall any of those Pitts teams performing concurrently or at the same show. And a civilian Hunter too. Yes IAT/RIAT is military-orientated but the civil stuff has a place too. Just maybe not two Extra aero teams in the same day. Oh and as a non-Joe Public with 45 years of airshows and 39 years in the aviation industry, I also thought the BA (BOAC) 747 flyby was the business. Back in my day we called them The Red Arrows though...

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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2019 Discussion Thread

Post by GVLCN » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:27 pm

I really enjoyed this year, I thought the pilots & crew were fantastic. Allowing great access to the aircraft with great merchandise, although it did feel like they missed a trick not having the nato flypast on Sunday aswell! When the Belgian F-16’s left Saturday I personally would have thought the NATO flypast aircraft could have been brought over to pack out the static.

Apart from this any airshow with phantoms & a mig-21 is a great show for me, especially when you get to sit in one of the phantoms!

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Post by John flightpath » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:12 pm

How the chuffin heck did you get to sit in one of the Phantoms ???

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Post by david coughlan » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:29 pm

My take for what its worth

Travelled down Sunday for the show, stayed over for departures on Monday.
I have been the last 20 years always enjoyed it, some years better than others. Mig 21 ,Spanish Harriers,Flanker were the highlights for rarities flying wise. Compared to the Saturday the Sunday appears to have missed out on several displays for one reason or another. 12.00-230 on sunday in my opinion there were too many light props displaying and I did miss the major usaf aircraft displaying B1, B52.F22 or even a F35 (Uk or US)
Monday I thoroughly enjoyed at the park and view from 9.00-3.30
I do appreciate all the other factors involved in running the show but for me it was just not one of the better years

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Post by StevenNFFC » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:30 pm

I don't see how you can "miss" seeing the USAF DISPLAY a B-52....maybe those more enlightened than me can shed light on the last time that happened at RIAT (Flying and not Flypast)?

And the last time I can personally find the USAF performing a flying display with the B-1 was 2007??

As for the F-22 you must remember that there is only one F-22 demo pilot in the USAF and he has many events to display at inside the United States - getting an F-22 display should, in my opinion, be considered a major coup if it performs in the UK rather than being a yard stick by which RIAT's should be judged. If memory serves, aside from back to back appearances in 2016 and 2017 wasn't 2008 the last time before that?

617 Squadron provided an F-35B Lightning on the Friday and Saturday so whilst you didn't get to see it on Sunday, the Air Tattoo secured its appearance at this years show nonetheless.

I'm all for criticism of the Air Tattoo if you didn't enjoy it, but listing those examples as reasons why this years RIAT wasn't good enough are in my opinion not valid.

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