FighterControl

Can any one please help me with the following query regarding the above seen in the static at the Eastern end.
I have this craft recorded as having Type 1521.M and No 005 displayed on the tail - coded 30 QA on the fuselage and not bearing its civil Reg.

The Threshold check list give it as G-CLLK 5/30 QA - So Far so Good. However the RIAT check list gives its identity as F-GIBN 261 / 30 QA.
I have looked up G-CLLK on the CAA website and it gives it as construction No 5C coded 30 QA

To add confusion there is an image on Abic of G-CLLK taken at Oaksey Park on April 2nd 2022 where the photographer quotes it as being No 58!

So which Aircraft did we see as it was devoid of its civil reg and if it was in fact G-CLLK is it 005 or 58. Answers on a postcard please to:-
M.T.I.A.
razzer56

And to add: I have seen no5 in the museum of Orange (F)...

http://www.musee-a5e.com/broussard.htm

Definitely G-CLLK from Oaksey Park ex C-GRBL. I was at the same night shoot as the photo you mention and I've no idea where 58 comes from as it has always been marked as 005 including that night. I also inspected it just after import when it was also marked as it is today

hvaneupen wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:02 pm

And to add: I have seen no5 in the museum of Orange (F)...

http://www.musee-a5e.com/broussard.htm

Different marque of Broussard

Thank you for your replies Mark.
I guess a lot of folk may well have to check their logs if they used the Official Checklist instead of the old Mk 1 eyeball.
Looks like it is also one to add to the WAG Type list
Regards,
razzer56

bizfreeq wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:09 pm

hvaneupen wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:02 pm

And to add: I have seen no5 in the museum of Orange (F)...

http://www.musee-a5e.com/broussard.htm

Different marque of Broussard

The one at Orange is also serial number 5 not c/n, which is 31.

razzer56 wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:39 pm

Looks like it is also one to add to the WAG Type list
Regards,
razzer56

Is it ex-military?

razzer56 wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:33 pm

However the RIAT check list gives its identity as F-GIBN 261 / 30 QA.

How embarrassing to make people pay for something so badly wrong. F-GIBN was deregistered in 2018 and the airframe is now in the USA, registered N261BN!

I bet whoever created that checklist googled "Broussard 30-QA" and just went with whatever turned up.

G-CLLK is the 58th MH.1521 and the 5th MH.1521C.

MH.1521C = civilian variant
MH.1521M = military variant

Probably stands for something French but it's an easy way to remember

I think that's pretty harsh, there is always going to be a mistake or two, and I don't see you offering to help make it better! It is put together last thing on Friday night ready for sale first thing on Saturday morning and is compiled by humans, they make mistakes.....never made one yourself then?

My services (and those of plenty of others too!) have been offered in the past and not taken up. If I could do a better job from home based solely on people's photos and info they pass to me, having people officially checking things as they arrive and then mopping up before the show should be fairly straightforward.

However, RAFCTE do it the way they want to do it, I do it the way I want to do it, and the results usually speak for themselves.

Just to add to this, I was trying to put together the history of this aircraft, and the Broussard production list and identities can be rather confusing. It is the seventh civil MH-1521C aircraft and allocated the number 005C and was registered F-BICX in June 1957 (there were two pre-production civil variants). The aircraft's actual construction number is 58, and the military and civil numbers were allocated as separate sequences. So, there is a military MH.1521M No.5, and a civil MH.1521C No.5 (initially displayed on the aircraft as No. 5C in it's early days). Where the confusion comes in is when the aircraft was exported to Canada and overhauled in 2007, the new owners repainted the aircraft and copied the exact markings as shown on F-GIBN when it was based in Germany (now N261BN), depicting the aircraft as a military MH.1521M (but still carrying it's civil ID No.005C). F-GIBN was ex No.261/30-QA (it's real identity - French mil reg No.261, c/n 317, noted at Reims on 1.6.86). F-BICX was actually the Max Holste Broussard demonstrator from 1957-1962 and participated in many sales tours, including Portugal. I cannot find any evidence of it serving in the French military, and the aircraft log book is incomplete. There is an engine log book however which mentions some maintenance work carried out in 'CAR', which we assume to be the Central African Republic. The French military were based down that way in Bangui in the late 1950s (Unit ESRA.77) but there is no more info. Whether it was in Africa on a sales tour or temporarily assigned to the French military is unknown. If you are a Broussard fan, the book by Thierry Gibaud is very informative (in French !).

The Broussard used G-CLLK as its callsign inbound and outbound, so I don't think there is any doubt which one it was.

Also shows Oaksey to Fairford in ADS-B Exchange playback.

Ironically the other Broussard there which was G-HOUR in civilian colours with Bremont Watches is a former military 1521M version, ex 25 ALAT c/n149 apparently (and also "CKA" and "MAA"). Like you I found the production lists for Broussards somewhat confusing!