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Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:42 pm
by gordonh
Noticed this earlier. I assume this will affect things for the next few days or so.
NOTAM A4114/25: Glasgow Prestwick Airport (EGPK)
A4114/25 NOTAMN
Q) EGPX/QFULT/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5531N00436W005
A) EGPK B) 2506221100 C) 2506282359
E) LIMITED JET A-1 AVAILABLE. ACFT OPERATORS ARE ASKED TO TANKER
FUEL INTO AD
CREATED: 22 Jun 2025 11:00:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:37 pm
by verreli
Putting a few more wind turbines in the North Sea will sort that out.
More seriously, I wonder what the root cause is? Logistic? Limited supply?
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:14 pm
by gordonh
verreli wrote: ↑Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:37 pm
Putting a few more wind turbines in the North Sea will sort that out.
More seriously, I wonder what the root cause is? Logistic? Limited supply?
Closure of Grangemouth I assume, I think fuel is now brought by rail from Essex.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:37 pm
by verreli
Thanks for the response. While the closure of a local refinery isn't ideal and rail freight from Essex seems crazy, with good planning supply should still be possible. Unless that is, there was an unexpected peak in demand and the supply chain couldn't respond quickly enough. Interesting situation.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:03 pm
by gordonh
verreli wrote: ↑Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:37 pm
Thanks for the response. While the closure of a local refinery isn't ideal and rail freight from Essex seems crazy, with good planning supply should still be possible. Unless that is, there was an unexpected peak in demand and the supply chain couldn't respond quickly enough. Interesting situation.
I would have thought that the last week or so of military movement's was a bit unexpected. I am sure they have people working on it!
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:47 pm
by diamond chap
RCH236 the first to be affected by this - just diverted to Glasgow.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:59 pm
by AyrForce1
Same thing happened last month for EGPK.
A3035/25 - LIMITED JET A-1 AVAILABLE DUE TO UPSTREAM SUPPLY ISSUES. AIRCRAFT
OPERATORS ARE ASKED TO TANKER FUEL INTO PRESTWICK
FROM: 08 MAY 2025 16:20 TO: 31 MAY 2025 23:59
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:57 am
by LJC
Yes all down to Mr Ineos closing the refinery at Grangemouth and we are now reliant on a train from the Isle of Grain in Kent
Would like to think a trainload of fuel enroute, hopefully someone with insider knowledge might be tuned in and can update.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:20 am
by diamond chap
There's a path every weekday for the below train to Carlisle, which then operates to Prestwick the following day. Only operates when required and doesn't look to be operating today.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/servic ... 3/detailed
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:37 pm
by Black Mike
The last time I was up, there were what I think were fuel wagons in the sidings near RW12 threshold.
Mike
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:23 am
by H.A.Bucken
D.C.
As Mike Zellar would say 'as a matter of interest' which freight operator runs the 'as-&-when'; they'll need summat more powerful than a 66 via that routeing.
Roger
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:34 am
by LJC
GBRF with a Class 66 locomotive.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:25 am
by blackbird60
Double headed would do it
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:07 pm
by H.A.Bucken
TQ, LJC.
Roj.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:43 pm
by PIKAviationTours
Black Mike wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:37 pm
The last time I was up, there were what I think were fuel wagons in the sidings near RW12 threshold.
Mike
The airport has a special fuel station on sidings next to the main Glasgow to Ayr line and it's from here that the fuel is pumped under the A77 directly into the storage tanks within the airport boundary. Quite a few engineers working on the equipment today when I passed.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:30 pm
by LJC
blackbird60 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:25 am
Double headed would do it
Train comes to Prestwick with a single Class 66 loco which can haul approx 2000 tonnes.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:17 am
by H.A.Bucken
GBRf bought some type 60s from EWS/DB-they'll handle those loads.
Amazingly, on my rail travels I've yet to see one in their colours. Always liked their original liveries until they were graffitied with EWS vinyls.
Roj
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:56 am
by davidoFI
None of the paths have been activated this week but this is the next path in the system that could run tomorrow:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/servic ... 6/detailed
It runs as maximum 20 wagons with a single 66, it has to split in Carlisle and run as 2 seperate trains as the siding at Prestwick only holds 10 wagons.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:24 pm
by Yammer
a good opportunity to invest in infrastructure to improve operating resilience.
Re: Notam for Fuel.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:42 pm
by LJC
davidoFI wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:56 am
None of the paths have been activated this week but this is the next path in the system that could run tomorrow:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/servic ... 6/detailed
It runs as maximum 20 wagons with a single 66, it has to split in Carlisle and run as 2 seperate trains as the siding at Prestwick only holds 10 wagons.
The 20 wagons referred to are the smaller 45 ton type which were the norm a few years ago and are now mostly withdrawn.
The train runs with 10 of the larger type which take approx double the capacity of the smaller ones and weigh in at around 100 tonnes per wagon.
Hopefully it will turn up tomorrow.