First they came for the pensioners, then the disabled.

[Hurn]

More Labour cuts on the most vulnerable people in society. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0jqjl9vg47t
An utter disgrace, and just shows more contempt for the British people from this government.

People used to call the Tories 'the nasty party', but they've got nothing on Dame Starmer's Labour.

[baz1]

More Labour cuts on the most vulnerable people in society. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0jqjl9vg47t
An utter disgrace, and just shows more contempt for the British people from this government.

People used to call the Tories 'the nasty party', but they've got nothing on Dame Starmer's Labour.

yes and the means testing is all about how Mean they can treat people, yet they can have credit cards and spend £2,500 on shoes in Barbados now i wonder who that could be???

[NorvilleRogers]

A crackdown on people abusing the system, is that bad? .... oh and Boris spent £20,000 on wallpaper for his no 10 flat. All political parties are as bad as each other.

[Pune]

A crackdown on people abusing the system, is that bad? .... oh and Boris spent £20,000 on wallpaper for his no 10 flat. All political parties are as bad as each other.

I agree, crackdown on the benefit cheats, we all know folk who abuse the system I'm sure, forget the Tories, they are history thankfully.

[slogen51]

When the Tories did it, it was called Austerity

Labour promised " An End to Austerity "

On yesterday in Parliament I heard 'Two Tier Kier' which I thought quite amusing

[baz1]

A crackdown on people abusing the system, is that bad? .... oh and Boris spent £20,000 on wallpaper for his no 10 flat. All political parties are as bad as each other.

oh yes and £80,OOO spent re decorating no 10 Starmers Blue room + money spent on no 11 as well.

[Hurn]

A crackdown on people abusing the system, is that bad? .... oh and Boris spent £20,000 on wallpaper for his no 10 flat. All political parties are as bad as each other.

So to 'crackdown' on the few that might be abusing the system, let's make it much harder for vulnerable people to still get the help they need. It's literally straight out of Iain Duncan Smiths' playbook.

[Thunder]

The problem is it ain’t just a few is it. Mean test the whole lot and those that are in greatest need will get. Those that can work can get their sorry arses back to work or better still be drafted into Starmers Ukrainian peace keeping force.

[Hurn]

The problem is it ain’t just a few is it. Mean test the whole lot and those that are in greatest need will get.

There's already a system in place so that those in greatest need get the help. Labour just want to change the 'rules' to make it harder for those people to claim.

Those that can work can get their sorry arses back to work or better still be drafted into Starmers Ukrainian peace keeping force.

There are UK hotels full of fighting age men that could go and do Dame Starmers' dirty work, and it would free up a few billion quid too.

[Thunder]

You may have a point on the Ukrainians, but this nation turned into a nation of scroungers all on our own long before the Ukrainians came here. It’s high time someone sorted it out, nobody should be getting money for nothing, except in exceptional circumstances.

[Hurn]

You may have a point on the Ukrainians, but this nation turned into a nation of scroungers all on our own long before the Ukrainians came here. It’s high time someone sorted it out, nobody should be getting money for nothing, except in exceptional circumstances.

I'm not talking about Ukrainians, I'm talking about all the fighting age men who are coming across in boats and entering the UK illegally.

They are put up in hotels. given a phone and money to spend at the tax payers expense. Perhaps they could go and fight in Dame Starmers' peacekeeping force, cos I doubt any Brits will want to go there.

We'd save a few billion and then wouldn't have to make vulnerable UK citizens crawl through hoops to get the financial help they need.

[Thunder]

Sorry misread and misinterpreted the part regarding men in hotels, yes that needs to be sorted out as well, legit asylum seekers is one thing but far too many coming here.

People should be made to crawl through hoops when it comes to claiming benefits, no one should just be handed them. Only by doing that will they weed out the ones that are playing the system. If you genuinely can’t work then you’ll get your entitlement, after all I’ve had to crawl through hoops all my working life to get a job to earn money in order to put a roof over my families heads, food on the table and clothes on our backs.

[paddyboy]

Agree with every single word, Scott

[Gary]

Keep the thread polite and civilised. This section in general is under discussion to be removed because of the ongoing hassle it causes

[cat1]

Miracles shall never cease, this thread isn't locked yet LMAO

[Sparts99]

I read an intersting article last week on line, I can't find it now so can't post a link, but the headline is that a 1% tax on assets over £10m in the UK would raise £12bn a year, this benefits cut will rasie £5bn by 2030. I really can't understand why the 1% tax can't be implemented. Add to that the likes of Amazon, Facebook etc paying next to no tax in the UK despite huge earnings from the UK market and a lot of the problems we have due to low tax receipts could be fixed.

Have a read, £40bn tax gap in 2023-24, in other words a £40bn shortfall in one year, £40bn that should have been been paid in tax but wasn't.

https://taxjustice.uk/blog/40-billion-l ... e-tax-gap/

"This comes as an investigation by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism found that HMRC hasn’t fined a single enabler of offshore tax evasion in five years, despite landmark powers introduced in 2017."

[Hurn]

People should be made to crawl through hoops when it comes to claiming benefits, no one should just be handed them.

NOBODY is just being handed benefits. You obviously have no idea what people have to go through to get anything.

I read an intersting article last week on line, I can't find it now so can't post a link, but the headline is that a 1% tax on assets over £10m in the UK would raise £12bn a year, this benefits cut will rasie £5bn by 2030. I really can't understand why the 1% tax can't be implemented. Add to that the likes of Amazon, Facebook etc paying next to no tax in the UK despite huge earnings from the UK market and a lot of the problems we have due to low tax receipts could be fixed.

Indeed. The mantra used to be that the Tories made the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.
It seems now Labour have adopted that stance too and are now just going for the 'easy' targets. So much for being the party of the common people.

[Thunder]

Having never claimed benefits, you are quite correct in saying I don’t know what you have to go through in order to get them. However I do have two relatives that are both mentally and physically fit to work, yet have sponged off the state for as long as I can remember, they have a relatively new car, go on holiday twice a year, full Sky TV, latest phones and tech and so on….They have it so good that their grandchildren(in their early 20’s), see that as a better lifestyle choice rather than find a job. So people out there ARE being handed benefits for nothing.

[Sparts99]

Having never claimed benefits, you are quite correct in saying I don’t know what you have to go through in order to get them. However I do have two relatives that are both mentally and physically fit to work, yet have sponged off the state for as long as I can remember, they have a relatively new car, go on holiday twice a year, full Sky TV, latest phones and tech and so on….They have it so good that their grandchildren(in their early 20’s), see that as a better lifestyle choice rather than find a job. So people out there ARE being handed benefits for nothing.

Something wrong there. What benefits are they claiming?

[Hurn]

Having never claimed benefits, you are quite correct in saying I don’t know what you have to go through in order to get them. However I do have two relatives that are both mentally and physically fit to work, yet have sponged off the state for as long as I can remember, they have a relatively new car, go on holiday twice a year, full Sky TV, latest phones and tech and so on….They have it so good that their grandchildren(in their early 20’s), see that as a better lifestyle choice rather than find a job. So people out there ARE being handed benefits for nothing.

If they are cheating the system as you claim, then perhaps you should contact the DWP, as they take a very dim view of people committing fraud and might open an investigation.