Falcon 900s will be BAe 146 replacements...

[turmo]

The name reflects the role of the aircraft in defence diplomacy and relationship building. The original Envoy aircraft in RAF service was known as the Envoy III. It was a twin-engine light transport aircraft, used by the RAF before and during World War 2 in the communications role; one of which served with the ‘King’ s Flight’ – a precursor to today’s No 32 (The Royal) Squadron.

Hmm kinda-sorta. Envoy II / III were the Airspeed marketing names for the AS.6 Envoy rather than RAF designations. So the MoD are sugggesting that the Falcon 900LX is the latest variant of the AS.6, after a gap of 83 years.

There's nothing wrong with just designating it Envoy. Like the Lightning and Typhoon, there's no logic in trying to tie it into previous designation sequences. Typhoon F.Mk.7 anyone?

[POL]

Just been sent this image, not sure on where it was posted originally but all credit to eccie for the photo..shame the aircraft looks like utter doggy-doo-doo now, look at the state of that flag!

[Goldstar31]

Remove the photo as it breaches copyright law otherwise I will take legal action

[reaper493]

Photo removed - tad over reactive in my opinion.

The photo is water marked and POL did give you credit.

[Vulcanone]

Depends IF he was given permission to post it I suppose.

After 30+ years in and around the publishing industry. I would take copyright breach seriously.

Actually from a publishing point of view the worst offenders are the Russians who clearly never give a toss about anything... As we have seen elsewhere.

[POL]

Remove the photo as it breaches copyright law otherwise I will take legal action

No you won't, calm down.

[slogen51]

I can't see the point of worrying about a photo. If you don't want people to see it then don't put it on the web . It might be different if you actually owned the plane or object or it was artwork but it is just a photo of a machine that some other organization owns ! Surely it's their copyright?

The picture I have seen is back lit

[AyrForce1]

but it is just a photo of a machine that some other organization owns ! Surely it's their copyright?

Not by any legal definition of copyright in the UK. Copyright owner is automatically the photographer unless rights are transferred.

[slogen51]

Probably but there may be an issue with photos of private property.?

I am not by the way saying the F900 is private property as it could be owned by a governmental organization so could be public property.

[POL]

Not by any legal definition of copyright in the UK. Copyright owner is automatically the photographer unless rights are transferred.

And legally to sue in the UK you'd need to show the losses you incurred, which if you've posted the photo online you're clearly not going for a magazine exclusive, so there's no loss to sue for.

There is of course the question about people taking photos whilst working, as there's a fair chance those photos belong to the employer if they have been taken during the reasonable course of that person's duties. That usually muddies the copyright waters!

Of course, most people post photos online for other people to look at, some apparently do it for willy waving.

Anyway, we're getting off topic, I look forward to someone posting photos of the aircraft who isn't going to get their knickers in a twist over it being shared.

[Nighthawke]

No "probably" about it - AyrForce1 is correct. The caveat to this is if the photographer is an employeee and an agreement is in place. Naive on my part but I thought this was common knowledge to photographers.

However this has deviated from the original point raised over the removed image.

[slogen51]

' photographers ' are people with a phone

I suppose my point was that there is no creativity and the photo was already on the web so there is no 'need' to copyright and threaten legal action.

But as you rightly pointed out the law is the law but there are plenty of bad laws on the statute. I personally think that photos on social media should be treated as being in the public domain - the original philosophy of the WWW.

[xkekeith]

I've given up worrying about my photo's, they have appeared in some very far flung and weird websites. I get an automated report monthly of the latest sightings which is always an interesting read....

[Professor_M]

I've given up worrying about my photo's, they have appeared in some very far flung and weird websites. I get an automated report monthly of the latest sightings which is always an interesting read....

Which software are you using? Pixsy?

[Nighthawke]

Reposting and giving credit AFAIK is not breaching copyright. That occurs if someone uses and claims the work as their own. As xkekeith ponts out it happens a lot. Posting your work on the web is a risk you take. The world is full of unpleasant, thieving bar stewards. I find it pathetically sad that someone would want to take credit for someone else's photos.

[Thunder]

Can we at least get a link to this picture

[Professor_M]

For anyone who hasn't yet seen G-ZAHS in its new scheme (no prizes for guessing what's on the tail!) pictures are now on the RAF page for the Envoy IV CC1 https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircraft/envoy-iv-cc1/ . I guess the wait is on to see how much longer until G-ZABH appears in that scheme too - it flew down to Bordeaux–Mérignac Airport (home to a Dassault facility) as CLF870 on 4th December - the same day G-ZAHS returned from the same airport to the UK as CLF571 after a three week stay in France.

[Kurnass]

Well, at least it isn’t the boring all white anymore.

[Doughnut]

Has it ever been clarified as to any hidden meaning to the civil registrations ?
I guess a civil registration helps with maintenance but surprised a military serial is not also available for certain operational flights.

[Agent K]

Has it ever been clarified as to any hidden meaning to the civil registrations ?
I guess a civil registration helps with maintenance but surprised a military serial is not also available for certain operational flights.

You shouldn't be surprised. It's not entitled to carry a military registration (yet). A registration is more than painting a number/letters on the side of an aircraft. It means that the aircraft is certified with that relevant civil or military authority. The civil registration is on the aircraft as it is certified with the CAA through the Dassault certification process for the aircraft. The aircraft hasn't yet been certified by UK military authorities and until so will not have a military registration nor will be entitled to carry one. The aim is to, once military specific equipment has been installed and tested along with any military specific operational requirements, achieve the MoD certification and thus carry a military registration.