Formula 1 2021

[raptor9]

Yes, of course, but then he has been in F.1 for twice as long as Max. There is a video somewhere of Max running into other people on 7 different occasions. Once a year on average then. Worse than Lewis's figures I'm thinking. At the same time James, it's nice to discuss these things. I envied you with your visit yesterday. I attended 26 consecutive British Grand Prix in a different era. Keep enjoying. Next year could be VERY interesting.

[d555]

I think the incident at Copse was slightly more Lewis's fault than Max, but only just. To put it into context you have to look at the entire season so far.
On 2 occasions that come to mind , Barcelona and Imola, Max was very aggressive in getting past Hamilton and it was only because Lewis backed off that they didn't come together. This time Lewis kept his foot in and he probably thought that he was just about far enough along side for him to claim the corner. Max obviously knew he was there but still aggressively tried to take the racing line with the inevitable consequences . Both drivers were at fault to some degree, just a racing incident.

[C24]

Incident, crash, call it what you like. Both should receive penalties for spoiling a race. And a waste of money in a world of limited resources.
Another change is perhaps due?
How about starting from the grid at a multiple of the time difference between each car as gained during practice? At least that way there would not be 20 cars trying to negotiate the same tiny space at one time.
It might demonstrate driving ability round the circuit not who has the biggest death wish.



Stay safe

[raptor9]

Although I wasn't there, James, I'm sure the cheering at Club etc., was nothing more than patriotic fervour. Had this been Max and Lewis at Zandvoort, with Lewis coming off worse, the Max fans would have done the same. It doesn't equate to fans booing other countries National Anthems. They were realising that Lewis, obviously my man, was now in a good position, whereas yours was in the kitty litter. I doubt, also, that they had realised the seriousness of the impact. No side impact is a good thing [Karl Wendlinger at Monaco, years ago}. Head injuries much more likely in side impacts. No fan minds spins and shunts, provided there are no injuries. Thank heaven for decent design and seat belts. Horner's remarks bothered me. Do we now have to have a sign on fast corners, other than medium speed corners, where an attempt to overtake, inside or outside, is forbidden??. What should the criterion be.... Over 150mph, no overtaking. That rules our Eau Rouge at Spa and many others, and would take the 'Race' out of 'Racing'

[James Cutting]

Incident, crash, call it what you like. Both should receive penalties for spoiling a race. And a waste of money in a world of limited resources.
Another change is perhaps due?
How about starting from the grid at a multiple of the time difference between each car as gained during practice? At least that way there would not be 20 cars trying to negotiate the same tiny space at one time.
It might demonstrate driving ability round the circuit not who has the biggest death wish.



Stay safe

Honestly? That's not racing is it.

[James Cutting]

Although I wasn't there, James, I'm sure the cheering at Club etc., was nothing more than patriotic fervour. Had this been Max and Lewis at Zandvoort, with Lewis coming off worse, the Max fans would have done the same. It doesn't equate to fans booing other countries National Anthems. They were realising that Lewis, obviously my man, was now in a good position, whereas yours was in the kitty litter. I doubt, also, that they had realised the seriousness of the impact. No side impact is a good thing [Karl Wendlinger at Monaco, years ago}. Head injuries much more likely in side impacts. No fan minds spins and shunts, provided there are no injuries. Thank heaven for decent design and seat belts. Horner's remarks bothered me. Do we now have to have a sign on fast corners, other than medium speed corners, where an attempt to overtake, inside or outside, is forbidden??. What should the criterion be.... Over 150mph, no overtaking. That rules our Eau Rouge at Spa and many others, and would take the 'Race' out of 'Racing'

No I know what you mean - but the fact it was shown on the big screens (the cameras panned his car and you could see the impact) the cheering was definitely meant. And just the way Lewis handled himself after the race was wrong, but that's my opinion

[Unknown74]

Someone told me that in Golf you have Chip & Pin, in Formula One you have Clip & Spin...........

[Alf]

Someone told me that in Golf you have Chip & Pin, in Formula One you have Clip & Spin...........

Chip and Pin also when shopping.. unless you use cash..

[Nighthawke]

Contactless is preferable both in shopping and F1!

[d555]

One thing puzzling me is Perez. Unless i'm mistaken ( very likely ) Perez was in 9th place coming into the final laps which would give Red Bull 2pts. The team then pitted him for fresh tyres so that he could go for the fastest lap , which he achieved for 1pt. As he then finished out of the top ten, Red Bull made a nett loss of 1pt. So I'm guessing it was personal for C. Horner to sacrifice points from his team in his quest to deprive Hamilton of one extra point. Though , taking that 1 point away from Merc. evens it all up, so why risk an extra pit stop where mistakes can and do occur.
If I'm wrong about Perez's position it's irrelevant anyway

[Malcolm]

One thing puzzling me is Perez. Unless i'm mistaken ( very likely ) Perez was in 9th place coming into the final laps which would give Red Bull 2pts. The team then pitted him for fresh tyres so that he could go for the fastest lap , which he achieved for 1pt. As he then finished out of the top ten, Red Bull made a nett loss of 1pt. So I'm guessing it was personal for C. Horner to sacrifice points from his team in his quest to deprive Hamilton of one extra point. Though , taking that 1 point away from Merc. evens it all up, so why risk an extra pit stop where mistakes can and do occur.
If I'm wrong about Perez's position it's irrelevant anyway

We don't know what state Perez's tyres were in. He'd started on the hard and switched to the medium very early, so had a long way to go on the medium. Most of the others had started on medium and switched to hard at about the same time as Perez went the other way.

I didn't think you actually got the 1 point for fastest lap unless you finished in the top 10. So Perez/Red Bull gave up a fairly safe (tyres permitting) 2pts in order to deprive Mercedes/Hamilton of an extra 1 pt. The only real winner from that is Verstappen. Red Bull are -1, and Perez -2.

[steamy]

Hamilton should have gotten a tougher penalty... his race line was always going through Verstappen's car at that speed and was never going to make the overtake....he should have backed off and wouldn't have cause the crash

[James Cutting]

Thank you!

[raptor9]

Always two views. Personally, mine was that Lewis was actually backing out of it. Lewis fans will say it was Max's fault, and Max's fan will go the other way. Rien ne change!.

[James Cutting]

I wouldn't say I'm a "max fan" I like the guy and I hope he wins this year, and someone actually pushes Hamilton. If he was backing out, he would have moved more to hit the apex, and lifted too...

[raptor9]

Alonso, Ricciardo and Leclerc, after seeing the footage, say it was a racing incident with no blame to either driver, except they described both of them as being very aggresive, with Lewis losing grip in the corner from dirty air, and unable to hold his line as tightly as he would have liked. Could go round in circles on this point [no pun intended], but...Hungary in two weeks. Looking forward to that one, and I expect RB's tempers to have cooled by then. As someone on another site implied, he would liked to have been a fly on the wall in the RB debrief, where he suspected that Max might have been told that he was too aggresive. I don't agree that he was too aggresive. It was a move from both of them that could well have worked, but ... there you go..

[d555]

One thing puzzling me is Perez. Unless i'm mistaken ( very likely ) Perez was in 9th place coming into the final laps which would give Red Bull 2pts. The team then pitted him for fresh tyres so that he could go for the fastest lap , which he achieved for 1pt. As he then finished out of the top ten, Red Bull made a nett loss of 1pt. So I'm guessing it was personal for C. Horner to sacrifice points from his team in his quest to deprive Hamilton of one extra point. Though , taking that 1 point away from Merc. evens it all up, so why risk an extra pit stop where mistakes can and do occur.
If I'm wrong about Perez's position it's irrelevant anyway

We don't know what state Perez's tyres were in. He'd started on the hard and switched to the medium very early, so had a long way to go on the medium. Most of the others had started on medium and switched to hard at about the same time as Perez went the other way.

I didn't think you actually got the 1 point for fastest lap unless you finished in the top 10. So Perez/Red Bull gave up a fairly safe (tyres permitting) 2pts in order to deprive Mercedes/Hamilton of an extra 1 pt. The only real winner from that is Verstappen. Red Bull are -1, and Perez -2.

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought that he had already pitted twice.

[seven]

Hamilton should have gotten a tougher penalty... his race line was always going through Verstappen's car at that speed and was never going to make the overtake....he should have backed off and wouldn't have cause the crash

Or Verstappen could have taken a wider line, carried more speed, gained the inside/advantage for the next corner, and not ended up in the wall..

Verstappen should have been penalised, horner and Wheatley should have been penalised for their outbursts, and marko, well, Darwins law has to catch up with him at some time..

Had Hamilton backed off, he most likely would have lost the tow through Maggots and Becketts, being able to do nothing but sit at watch boy wonder driving off into the distance. And we'd have had Austria part 3. Sorry and all that but Hamilton very much did the right thing.

[seven]

I wouldn't say I'm a "max fan" I like the guy and I hope he wins this year, and someone actually pushes Hamilton. If he was backing out, he would have moved more to hit the apex, and lifted too...

Bit difficult to push someone from that far infront. Mercedes are very much on the backfoot here, it is not as close as broadcasters may make it seem.

[seven]

[quote=raptor9 post_id=1318884 time=1626690548

And just the way Lewis handled himself after the race was wrong, but that's my opinion

Hamilton had no idea that Verstappen was in hospital at the time, so that's a little unfair.

Now Verstappens twitter post was ok was it?