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Attitude
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grimly aviation pics
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Attitude
Hello guys I'm new to this forum, been on here for roughly 2 to 3 weeks and I have to say what a great forum. But I do have to say some peoples attitudes on some replys to my post have absolutly stunk. All I have asked for is simple info which I don't know and sometimes all I get is sarcastic and perfectic attitude based comments. Really let's the site down.
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GOOSE
Re: Attitude
Well done mate for voicing this! 
Unfortunately, as in any community, there will always be a couple of people who think it's clever to make those less knowledgeable feel small.
It's taken me a while to learn not to bite back and there are still a few on here who can rile me.
Do as I try to do though and simply ignore them, although it's not always easy.
But, you also need to listen to answers received and sometimes except such advice / info and be willing to search for info yourself rather than expect everything delivered on a plate, such as gen which is freely available with a small amount of your own effort. Also we all need to be patient in waiting for answers sometimes. Not everyone who has the knowledge you seek can be on FC 24/7 and therefore it can be a waiting game.
It's a compromise at times.
That said, if at any time someone makes you feel uncomfortable, please let a staff member know. Many thanks.
Unfortunately, as in any community, there will always be a couple of people who think it's clever to make those less knowledgeable feel small.
It's taken me a while to learn not to bite back and there are still a few on here who can rile me.
Do as I try to do though and simply ignore them, although it's not always easy.
But, you also need to listen to answers received and sometimes except such advice / info and be willing to search for info yourself rather than expect everything delivered on a plate, such as gen which is freely available with a small amount of your own effort. Also we all need to be patient in waiting for answers sometimes. Not everyone who has the knowledge you seek can be on FC 24/7 and therefore it can be a waiting game.
It's a compromise at times.
That said, if at any time someone makes you feel uncomfortable, please let a staff member know. Many thanks.
Re: Attitude
There is a real problem here. I've noticed it on several occasions.
I think its to do with the difference in outlook between people who have never known life without the internet and those of us, including me, who grew up in the dark ages.
I'm flying a white flag here,trying to find the reason for the conflict, so stay relaxed and calm.
Lots of times on FC a nubie asks a question for which, to me the answer is staring you in the face. The Mildenhall callsign question is the latest one, but there are numerous others. On aerials. for instance, what's the best aerial? has been asked many times. In most of these instances the answer is already there in the forum.
If I wanted to know the callsigns used at Mildenhall I'd look on the Mildenhall thread and search 'Mildenhall' in Heads Up and OTT and I'd have all the information available on the site.
On aerials, there must be a book's worth of discussion on the pro's and con's of commercial v home made with inputs from people who have actually done comparisons and made measurements. And still people ask what's the best aerial?
Remember my white flag, don't get cross. When I first noticed this phenomenon I thought it was due to idleness or not understanding the search facility, but it is so common now that it must go deeper than that.
My theory is that, if you have never known life without the internet you don't put the same value on information, because, to you, it's always been there. No more going down the library or ordering a book through Smith's. And, because it's perceived to be free, it has no value. Except in the case of Google it's not free, you pay for it by reading adverts and having your browsings habits revealed etc.
But FC is different, the information on FC is put there by people who are willing to share with others, even the smallest contribution helps with the overall picture. The data bases are compliled by people, not me, who are willing to pull all this information together for the benefit of all FC users.
If they didn't do it, there would be no database. Likewise if FC only had people asking questions there would be no FC.
Plane Plotter is very similar. I have an SBS box and I'm willing to share my information on PP. It doesn't cost me anything, except the time spent getting to grips with router settings, and I get to see the plots from all the other sharers. Other people aren't able or willing to become sharers but they still see all the plots, or pay extra for MLAT. PP isn't free so users have paid for the information they receive, but that information wouldn't be there if there were no sharers.
You Administrators have a problem. You need new joiners, people who are willing to contribute, but you mustn't alienate the core users.
There is also a further generational gap. Spelling and grammar are at the centre of written communication to my generation, but to people brought up texting, correct spelling is optional, even though spelling has never been easier to check. This leads to misunderstandings.
In the Mildenhall saga the question was asked and answered in the Spotters area. It was then asked and answered again in the Callsigns area. Then the questioner questions the reliability of the answers. Now I don't think he meant that, I think the word he was looking for was something like 'comprehensive', ie visitor callsigns as well as base callsigns.
But what he actually wrote did question the authenticity of the database and I can quite understand the response of those who have worked so hard on it. To be criticised by someone who , by their own admission knows nothing about the subject, after giving a full and helpful response, twice, must be hard to take. The questioner clearly can't take criticism either so we have a minor war of words.
So what's the answer? To questioners I'd say, look around the site first, there's a wealth of information already there. If you can't find what you're looking for by all means ask. But think before you post, ask the question clearly, remember you're not texting your mate who knows you well, all the FC'ers know about you is what you have written in that one post, and they're not mind readers. Also you have the question, it's the other chap who has the answer. You need him more than he needs you.
And to us old fogeys, bad spelling and grammar are here to stay, so get used to it. However I do feel strongly that, if the answer to a question is already on the site, the questioner should be shown where and how to find the answer and not given it directly. And if someone seems aggressive, don't respond, just ignore them. With attitudes like that they're not going to stay around FC for long. And be aware that the majority of FC'ers are extremely grateful for the hard work that you and the Administrators do for us.
I'm not sure that I should post this, but the issue is out there and needs debating. FC is about aircraft not egos. With a bit of understanding on both sides we should be ok.
Sorry to ramble on. I'll put my white flag away.
Best wishes
Roger
I think its to do with the difference in outlook between people who have never known life without the internet and those of us, including me, who grew up in the dark ages.
I'm flying a white flag here,trying to find the reason for the conflict, so stay relaxed and calm.
Lots of times on FC a nubie asks a question for which, to me the answer is staring you in the face. The Mildenhall callsign question is the latest one, but there are numerous others. On aerials. for instance, what's the best aerial? has been asked many times. In most of these instances the answer is already there in the forum.
If I wanted to know the callsigns used at Mildenhall I'd look on the Mildenhall thread and search 'Mildenhall' in Heads Up and OTT and I'd have all the information available on the site.
On aerials, there must be a book's worth of discussion on the pro's and con's of commercial v home made with inputs from people who have actually done comparisons and made measurements. And still people ask what's the best aerial?
Remember my white flag, don't get cross. When I first noticed this phenomenon I thought it was due to idleness or not understanding the search facility, but it is so common now that it must go deeper than that.
My theory is that, if you have never known life without the internet you don't put the same value on information, because, to you, it's always been there. No more going down the library or ordering a book through Smith's. And, because it's perceived to be free, it has no value. Except in the case of Google it's not free, you pay for it by reading adverts and having your browsings habits revealed etc.
But FC is different, the information on FC is put there by people who are willing to share with others, even the smallest contribution helps with the overall picture. The data bases are compliled by people, not me, who are willing to pull all this information together for the benefit of all FC users.
If they didn't do it, there would be no database. Likewise if FC only had people asking questions there would be no FC.
Plane Plotter is very similar. I have an SBS box and I'm willing to share my information on PP. It doesn't cost me anything, except the time spent getting to grips with router settings, and I get to see the plots from all the other sharers. Other people aren't able or willing to become sharers but they still see all the plots, or pay extra for MLAT. PP isn't free so users have paid for the information they receive, but that information wouldn't be there if there were no sharers.
You Administrators have a problem. You need new joiners, people who are willing to contribute, but you mustn't alienate the core users.
There is also a further generational gap. Spelling and grammar are at the centre of written communication to my generation, but to people brought up texting, correct spelling is optional, even though spelling has never been easier to check. This leads to misunderstandings.
In the Mildenhall saga the question was asked and answered in the Spotters area. It was then asked and answered again in the Callsigns area. Then the questioner questions the reliability of the answers. Now I don't think he meant that, I think the word he was looking for was something like 'comprehensive', ie visitor callsigns as well as base callsigns.
But what he actually wrote did question the authenticity of the database and I can quite understand the response of those who have worked so hard on it. To be criticised by someone who , by their own admission knows nothing about the subject, after giving a full and helpful response, twice, must be hard to take. The questioner clearly can't take criticism either so we have a minor war of words.
So what's the answer? To questioners I'd say, look around the site first, there's a wealth of information already there. If you can't find what you're looking for by all means ask. But think before you post, ask the question clearly, remember you're not texting your mate who knows you well, all the FC'ers know about you is what you have written in that one post, and they're not mind readers. Also you have the question, it's the other chap who has the answer. You need him more than he needs you.
And to us old fogeys, bad spelling and grammar are here to stay, so get used to it. However I do feel strongly that, if the answer to a question is already on the site, the questioner should be shown where and how to find the answer and not given it directly. And if someone seems aggressive, don't respond, just ignore them. With attitudes like that they're not going to stay around FC for long. And be aware that the majority of FC'ers are extremely grateful for the hard work that you and the Administrators do for us.
I'm not sure that I should post this, but the issue is out there and needs debating. FC is about aircraft not egos. With a bit of understanding on both sides we should be ok.
Sorry to ramble on. I'll put my white flag away.
Best wishes
Roger
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The Phantom
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Re: Attitude
Yes i can see Grimly's point - there does seem to be a lot of people lately who have become sarcastic to questions. I was actually one of the ones who tried to help with one of your questions Grimly.grimly aviation pics wrote:Hello guys I'm new to this forum, been on here for roughly 2 to 3 weeks and I have to say what a great forum. But I do have to say some peoples attitudes on some replys to my post have absolutly stunk. All I have asked for is simple info which I don't know and sometimes all I get is sarcastic and perfectic attitude based comments. Really let's the site down.
Another bug-bear for me is people who ask for help and advice - and in turn get lots of helpful replies, but then can't be arsed to say as much as a "thankyou".
I've always made a point of thanking anyone who has helped me - but as with all situations in life, others are ignorant and just take it for granted!!
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I echo the comments of the 'old' people, thanks for taking the time to express the thoughts of the old generation.
I was up at Scampton in January, met with one 'young' chap and two 'old' ones. The youngster was very friendly and the other two did not acknowledge my "Good morning". I can live with that, just shows that it is not one sided.
FC is still worth contributing to and reading, the good ones far out-number the others.
I'm even getting used to
these things. Wot! Only allowed 5 smilies?
I was up at Scampton in January, met with one 'young' chap and two 'old' ones. The youngster was very friendly and the other two did not acknowledge my "Good morning". I can live with that, just shows that it is not one sided.
FC is still worth contributing to and reading, the good ones far out-number the others.
I'm even getting used to
these things. Wot! Only allowed 5 smilies?C24.
493d/48th - Grim Reapers Supporter.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/charlie-two-four/ FuzzyFastjetFotos, incorporating "HazyHelos"
There's no "go-round" in a glider.
493d/48th - Grim Reapers Supporter.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/charlie-two-four/ FuzzyFastjetFotos, incorporating "HazyHelos"
There's no "go-round" in a glider.
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deerhunter
Re: Attitude
Goose as usual speaks the truth, in all walks of life you will get those who try to belittle.
Theres and old phrase I recall " sarcasm is conclusive proof of intellectual destitution" not bad for a Monday morning eh
Usually the sarcastic ones are the ones that are actually lacking and if the truth be known are glad you asked the question because they didnt know the answer anyway
The majority of folk I`ve met off FC have been great, and really helpful, and I`ve tried to return the compliment.
A nyway thats my two penneth.
Keep happy, lifes not a rehearsal, this is it, enjoy
Theres and old phrase I recall " sarcasm is conclusive proof of intellectual destitution" not bad for a Monday morning eh
Usually the sarcastic ones are the ones that are actually lacking and if the truth be known are glad you asked the question because they didnt know the answer anyway
The majority of folk I`ve met off FC have been great, and really helpful, and I`ve tried to return the compliment.
A nyway thats my two penneth.
Keep happy, lifes not a rehearsal, this is it, enjoy
Re: Attitude
Regarding asking questions when the answers are already on the forum (somewhere) and Google, i was once told that it keeps the forum alive and active when new members join and post the same (old) questions. That it brings on debate and gets the members chatting, which cant be a bad thing.
Ok yeah you can just google it, but what about the follow up questions and input from others
And in any case questions and answers about camera/radio gear goes out of date very quickly in this game. Only a few weeks ago the new kid on the block was the Canon 40D
Also regarding meeting members at the Fence, ive met loads of you and had very good days with lots of laughs and banter, ive always been polite and helpfull, lending my steps and batteries etc, but even i have had a PM from someone who wouldnt want to meet me and then saying they already have met me and wouldnt want to again
and for the life of me i cannot think what i have done wrong but thats life and we carry on
Here's to the best aviation forum on the net
Ok yeah you can just google it, but what about the follow up questions and input from others
And in any case questions and answers about camera/radio gear goes out of date very quickly in this game. Only a few weeks ago the new kid on the block was the Canon 40D
Also regarding meeting members at the Fence, ive met loads of you and had very good days with lots of laughs and banter, ive always been polite and helpfull, lending my steps and batteries etc, but even i have had a PM from someone who wouldnt want to meet me and then saying they already have met me and wouldnt want to again
and for the life of me i cannot think what i have done wrong but thats life and we carry on Here's to the best aviation forum on the net
Lee Blake
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The Phantom
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Re: Attitude
Maybe they lent you their steps and you've still got them!!blakey wrote:Also regarding meeting members at the Fence, ive met loads of you and had very good days with lots of laughs and banter, ive always been polite and helpfull, lending my steps and batteries etc, but even i have had a PM from someone who wouldnt want to meet me and then saying they already have met me and wouldnt want to again
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I was only thinking the other day, where i got my steps from because i need some new ones lolThe Phantom wrote:Maybe they lent you their steps and you've still got them!!blakey wrote:Also regarding meeting members at the Fence, ive met loads of you and had very good days with lots of laughs and banter, ive always been polite and helpfull, lending my steps and batteries etc, but even i have had a PM from someone who wouldnt want to meet me and then saying they already have met me and wouldnt want to again
Lee Blake
Re: Attitude
What my short time on the group has taught me is that FC is a microcosm of the world! I am a member of other forums relating to various interests and things are no different anywhere else.
Lets all try to get on.....
Steve
Lets all try to get on.....
Steve
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deerhunter
Re: Attitude
[quote][I was only thinking the other day, where i got my steps from because i need some new ones lol/quote]
You can have a pair of the wifes old tights, theres plenty of ladders in them
You can have a pair of the wifes old tights, theres plenty of ladders in them
Re: Attitude
Thats probably where ive been going wrong, maybe i should be standing on my steps in a pair of tightsdeerhunter wrote:You can have a pair of the wifes old tights,
Lee Blake
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deerhunter
Re: Attitude
Now that would make a good postThats probably where ive been going wrong, maybe i should be standing on my steps in a pair of tights
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