Info request on FSM RAF Hawks

[al20a]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask. I was logging up my trip to Fairford 2014 Monday departures and came across XX162 BAE Hawk, which I originally noted as a FSM at Farnborough in 1982. I have tried to investigate the serials of the two Hawk FSM BAPC-152 and 171 and the more I do the more confused I get. What I would like to know is, have the FSM's always carried a serial of real RAF Hawk. What I mean would XX162 FSM be around when the real XX162 was flying. Also does anyone have a history of BAPC-152 & 171 Hawks. i.e:- the years that the serials changed on the FSM's and why did they change the serials. Was there something special about XX162 and the other serials that they changed to. Hopefully there is an expert out there on this who can stop my head from being scrambled and I can get past Fairford 2014.

regards
Albert

[buzzer]

This is what I managed to find.
BAPC-152 "XX226/74" - BAe Hawk T.1 FSM - RAF Directorate of Recruitment and Selection - ex "XX162", "XX262"

BAPC-171 "XX253" - BAe Hawk T.1 FSM - RAF Directorate of Recruitment and Selection - ex "XX262", "XX297", Red Arrows scheme.

[al20a]

Cheers Buzzer,
I also came across the same info on The South Wales Aviation Group site list of BAPC numbers. Still haven't come across any dates from when say XX162 wore that particular serial to the next one.

much appreciated
Albert

[Hendon Chipmunk]

If it helps, over the years I've seen the following FSM RAF Hawk(s):

IAT 1993 'XX263' (sorry, didn't note the colour scheme)
RIAT 2006 'XX308' Red Arrows colours
RIAT 2007 'XX227' Red Arrows colours
RAF Museum Hendon event 30/03/08 'XX308' Red Arrows colours
RIAT 2014 'XX308' Red Arrows colours

[al20a]

Cheers Hendon,
Would of thanked you earlier, but couldn't get on webpage all Friday. Seems ok now. Maybe that might be the route to take and have a look through Scramble show reports to se if any FSM's where logged.

regards
Albert

[rh226]

Just to add a little bit to the Plastic FSMs, (from my remaining logs) I noted the following with the RAF Exhibition Flt based at 71MU RAF Bicester:

Abingdon BoB 16/09/1978
XX732 Jaguar - real one flying with 54 Sqdn
XX824 Jaguar - real one flying with 17 Sqdn

Greenham Common IAT 24/06/1979
XX824 Jaguar

Abingdon BoB 15/09/1979
XX732 Jaguar 54 Sqdn marks
XX824 Jaguar 14 Sqdn marks

Abingdon BoB 13/09/1980
XX824 Jaguar
XX262 Hawk - the real one perished with the Red Arrows on 17/05/1980 after clipping a yacht's mast at Brighton.
XX162 Hawk - the real one was flying with the CFS at this time (NB still flies today with CAM out of Boscombe Down)
ZA322 Tornado - real one flying with TTTE

Greenham Common IAT 28/06/1981
XX162 Hawk

Abingdon BoB 12/09/1981
XX718 Jaguar - non-existent serial
XX262 Hawk
ZA322 Tornado

Abingdon and St. Athan BoB 18/09/1982
None noted at either location

Greenham Common IAT 23/07/1983
XX162 Hawk

Abingdon BoB 10/09/1983
XX718 Jaguar

Hope that this is of some help and doesn't confuse the matter more!!

[al20a]

Hi Bob,
Having not seen XX263, XX227 and XX308 as I think FSM's I saw XX263 at Fairford 2010 Union Jack tail, XX227 at Woodford 1982 as a Red Arrow, XX308 Red Arrow at Blackpool 2006 all I assume the real McCoy. Did realise these serials were also Plastic Models.

regards
Albert

[rh226]

Hi Albert,

The give-away used to be whether they were in static (usually with an RAF recruitment stand) and whether you can tap them!!

If you are allowed to, they are plastic. If not, they are real!!!


The purpose of my previous post really was to establish a start point for the appearance of FSMs, which perhaps others could take forwards in the light of their sightings.

Regards,

Bob

[al20a]

It seems the RAF exhibition flight invented stealth before the US Airforce did
Well they confused me

regards
Albert

[al20a]

This is what I have so far from Show reports and posts I have seen. Starting from 1980. Only because I saw my first Plastic Hawk in 1981.

So its looking like:-
BAPC-152
XX162 1980- until somewhere between 1984-1992.
Then XX263 1994- to either 1995 or 96.
Then XX226 1997 or two years before and still XX226 in 2012 with a mis-mash off numbers inbetween probably mis-poled?

BAPC-171
XX262 1980-1985. XX297 1986,88 and then until somewhere between 1989-1996. XX253 1997 or some years before, 1999-2003.
Then XX227 2004-2007. XX308 2008- till the present 2014.

regards
Albert